WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-09-13 at 20:20:39 1 00:00:34.500 --> 00:00:44.579 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to 500 year diary, the only Doctor Who podcast that doesn't know what a galaxy is and doesn't care to know. 2 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:47.219 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.000 I'm Adam. 4 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:49.500 I'm James. 5 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:51.119 And I'm Melvin. 6 00:00:51.960 --> 00:01:06.060 Well, it's been 4.5 months since Ian and Barbara left the TARDIS, breaking both the doctor's heart and ours, and it's been just one week since we got our 1st glimpse of the planet Kemble, the most hostile planet in the universe. 7 00:01:06.900 --> 00:01:18.840 And tonight, 8.30000 people have tuned in to watch a historic moment in the history of the universe, and to find out what happens when the doctor fails to turn up and save the day. 8 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:22.920 It's time for us to discuss mission to the unknown. 9 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:49.980 So this thing, which we all watched, is the 2019 remake from the University of Lancashire. 10 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:50.459 Is that right? 11 00:01:50.579 --> 00:01:51.659 Central Lancashire. 12 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:52.920 Central Lancashire. 13 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:53.579 Central Lancashire. 14 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.500 Not on the outskirts of Lancashire. 15 00:01:55.739 --> 00:01:57.359 It's a rich island. 16 00:01:57.780 --> 00:01:59.219 Yes, exactly. 17 00:02:01.500 --> 00:02:02.579 And it's amazing. 18 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:05.040 I mean, it really is quite extraordinary, I think. 19 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:33.060 And it really has just an adorable kind of earnestness to it, which works very well because this is, you know, when we finally come back to this story after the myth makers, there's a kind of campness, I think, in particular to that scene, which we've just seen for the 1st time in the control room where Brett Vine is making his announcement into the ether and no one's listening to it. 20 00:02:33.419 --> 00:02:35.699 Like, and that's really fun and funny and stuff. 21 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:40.439 But this is very, very serious in a very terry nation kind of way. 22 00:02:41.219 --> 00:02:46.379 And I think what isn't really sufficiently acknowledged is this is the fourth iteration of the Daleks. 23 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.080 It's really quite different from any of the previous three. 24 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:54.419 And this is where we land, I think, finally with the Daleks. 25 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:58.139 Like, I think this is the moment at which the Daleks are kind of finalised. 26 00:02:59.340 --> 00:03:04.800 Whittaker will come along and maybe make the more mythic and maybe make the more directly the doctor's opposite. 27 00:03:05.460 --> 00:03:11.460 But this is the Daleks that come back in 2005's parting of the ways, I think. 28 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.099 Also, the Daleks, that turn against the people that they're cajoling. 29 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:22.500 They're like, oh, we could take over, but we'll just butter up some people. 30 00:03:25.860 --> 00:03:27.180 I was just about to say like this. 31 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:28.560 I mean, they have it all together here. 32 00:03:28.620 --> 00:03:49.439 Like, everything is working on all cylinders and it's, you know, we'll talk about the doctor listness or the doctor lightness of this at length, I think, but like, it's really incredible that they have, you know, assembled this sort of legion of doom, as it were. and Well, I mean, this is the thing is like they're politic. 33 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:51.360 They have a social order. 34 00:03:51.419 --> 00:03:54.300 They have an arrangement of, you know, they've got plans in order. 35 00:03:54.479 --> 00:04:08.039 I know, I think there were jokes that were told around the time that the 1st and 3rd episodes of uh, Dolex Master plan finally came back that they, you know, might have had like, you know, charcuterie boards out and like, you know, for for the meetings. 36 00:04:08.099 --> 00:04:11.759 Like, I was actually looking for that on the tables there, uh, in mission to the unknown. 37 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:19.980 But there's a sort of like they have a plan in order and they have roped in these 7 or 6 other cultures to take part in it. 38 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:35.759 And so they've, they, you know, this is not something that they've hastily put together, but that you also see in their pursuit and hunting down, totally destroy as they say, the ship that's landed from Earth and to hunt down the people who were in it, like they're absolute ruthlessness. 39 00:04:35.819 --> 00:04:40.500 So, I mean, this is one episode where the Daleks just, they have everything going their way. 40 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:42.240 And that is, it's kind of remarkable. 41 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:47.639 You could say they're playing a long game. drawing another parallel to series one. 42 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:53.459 I mean, the thing is that each time we've brought the Daleks back, like the scale has been greater. 43 00:04:54.180 --> 00:05:03.660 And Terry Nation will eventually settle on, when he does Doctor Who for the 70s, he basically drops 3 scripts that are the same. 44 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:21.000 And, you know, Bob Holmes and Hinchcliffe will call him out on it the 3rd time and so Genesis of the Daleks, which is very Terry Nation, like lots of people who don't want to give Terry Nation credit for being good say, well, obviously Bob Holmes is making that good. 45 00:05:22.019 --> 00:05:26.459 But those 3 are strong, enjoyable screens, but they are very similar to one another. 46 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:31.379 Whereas this, we go from, you know, the Daleks of these sort of mutants in a in a city. 47 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:37.139 They're sort of helpless and they don't know themselves and they don't really know the world that they find themselves in. 48 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:43.079 Then they come to earth, which again is sort of huge and epic and starts to threaten us, the audience at home. 49 00:05:43.740 --> 00:05:52.199 Then they're travelling through time and space, you know, and they're threatening the doctor by kind of horning in on the premise of the show. 50 00:05:52.500 --> 00:06:21.180 And now here, it's galaxies and spaceships that, you know, the likes of which we've never seen before, and all of this sort of stuff, which we think of as the kind of Dalek's natural habitat, and maybe it is because of the the TV 21 comics or something at this time, but this is them on television, sort of finally, they're an intergalactic power, and they threaten not just Earth, but even, you know, Jupiter and Venus and things, you know. 51 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:34.980 I was wondering about the genesis of this, like the idea of it, because originally the Daleks were coded as Nazis, it was very much, you know, oh, World War 2 was terrible. 52 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:36.180 The Nazis were terrible. 53 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.420 This is kind of like end stage, Nazism. 54 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:43.439 Whereas this feels like, because we're a bit further into the 60s. 55 00:06:43.620 --> 00:06:45.120 This feels like the Soviet Union. 56 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:47.279 Like, it's the communist. 57 00:06:47.459 --> 00:07:02.519 Yeah, yeah. kind of basically going, oh, any recently decolonised countries will scoop all of those up and you know, we've found them all on the fringes of society and we're going to now build our own UN that will attack the rest of the world. 58 00:07:02.579 --> 00:07:19.139 And it feels, because that was very much the sense that was going on then in the 60s where the Western world was terrified of this growing alliance of Eastern European countries and African countries and Asian countries that were all siding with communism. 59 00:07:19.259 --> 00:07:29.459 So it feels like a very a palpable terror that's going on, this this alignment that the Daleks have set up and then kill everyone. 60 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.160 Yeah, it makes it much more immediate. 61 00:07:32.699 --> 00:07:40.139 Yeah, like if you were living through that, you would be like, 0 my god, another country has decided to go over. wasn't that wasn't that a British domain? 62 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:45.180 Oh, no, lost another one. be New Zealand next. 63 00:07:47.939 --> 00:07:50.939 I think New Zealand's someone with the big tall pointing out in the little eyes. 64 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:54.120 He's my favourite man. 65 00:07:56.339 --> 00:08:00.660 Yes, we will perhaps try and disentangle who all of those are. 66 00:08:00.899 --> 00:08:06.660 We have Malfa with a delightful regional accent in the ring. 67 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:10.079 I mean, central Lancashire. 68 00:08:10.139 --> 00:08:10.560 That's great. 69 00:08:11.579 --> 00:08:12.120 Exactly. 70 00:08:13.740 --> 00:08:21.240 So we have him Zephon was going to be in this episode, but was cancelled, apparently, or he turned up late or something. 71 00:08:21.300 --> 00:08:22.319 He missed his pass. 72 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:24.180 He was always turning on blades. 73 00:08:25.740 --> 00:08:38.580 And it is, I think, impossible because this is directed by Derek Martinez and the other ones are going to be directed by Dougie Canfield. somehow we lose track of which delegate is which, and none of it kind of tends to make any sense. 74 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.860 But the sinister guy with the kind of concertina head. 75 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:42.299 He's awesome. 76 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:43.799 He's maybe the best way. 77 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:48.840 He looks like, um, do you remember the, what was it? 78 00:08:48.899 --> 00:08:55.620 Johnson and Friends, that kids show where one of them was a little accordion. 79 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:58.679 Johnson in France. 80 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:01.200 It was like an elephant, I think. 81 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:02.700 And a hot water bottle. 82 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:03.360 Yes. 83 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.519 Like an accordion. 84 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:06.360 The one's Johnson. 85 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:07.259 Right. 86 00:09:08.460 --> 00:09:09.779 Johnson was the elephant. 87 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:10.440 Okay, right. 88 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:18.059 But they are also kind of like the Mekon or something, you know, like it is also just this... 89 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.019 Yeah, yeah. is him just now doing space opera. 90 00:09:22.379 --> 00:09:40.740 You know, obviously, this is a sort of precursor to Blake 7 in tone in many ways as well, but just that the sort of galaxy spanning scale of it and throwing words like universe and galaxy and solar system around, a constellation with absolutely no regard to what any of them mean. 91 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:43.919 Like it just makes the scale huge. 92 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:51.419 I mean, and when you compare it to that little dalek city surrounded by swamp or whatever that we had way back in 19603. 93 00:09:52.139 --> 00:09:54.419 It is a huge departure. 94 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:59.340 And it does make them for the 1st time the threat that we now kind of know them to be, I think. 95 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.539 And I wonder if the part of the ephemerality of the weekly series. 96 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:10.620 Like you're saying that the continuity doesn't really hold from one episode to the next or from mission to the unknown to the start of the Daleks master plan. 97 00:10:10.860 --> 00:10:16.080 Like the thinking about how this is the 4th time that we've introduced the Daleks more or less. 98 00:10:16.259 --> 00:10:19.200 Like I was thinking about watching Mission to the Unknown. 99 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:28.379 And this is probably the 1st time I watched it since the recreation came out, that the 1st time you see a dollar, or the 1st time that the Dalek, you know, approaches a human, he kills him. 100 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:30.539 Like, you know, they're at the end when he kills Corey. 101 00:10:30.539 --> 00:10:37.559 And I'm like, what a dramatic and big and stakes filled way to meet a doll. 102 00:10:37.620 --> 00:10:46.259 Like, I mean, think about a meeting in the Daleks in the 1st cereal, when you, 1st time you see the plunger, you know, it's coming at Barbara, you don't really think that Barbara's going to die. 103 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.240 You know, she's one of the main casts. 104 00:10:48.299 --> 00:11:06.720 Like the fact that the Dalek enters and kills a person or that they all come and sort of like gang up on him and totally destroy him as they as the as the Daleks ask him to, it's really quite stunning, you know, in the way that the Dalek acts in the 2005 Kit Eccleston episode, like that there are that people can die because of these. 105 00:11:06.779 --> 00:11:10.259 This is not just a, like, not just a rubber monster with a giant head. 106 00:11:10.379 --> 00:11:12.480 You know, this is, this is, this is, this is serious. 107 00:11:13.139 --> 00:11:23.639 There's a great moment, isn't there, where one of the Daleks asks the other one if they're capturing them and keeping them as prisoners, and they say, no, you're going to kill them. 108 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:26.820 We're just killing them all on site and then they go off and kill him. 109 00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:29.159 And that, like, that's the stakes. 110 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:30.179 He's not going to escape. 111 00:11:30.779 --> 00:11:31.740 Yep, yeah. 112 00:11:31.860 --> 00:11:37.139 And the stakes there are also, he's been trying to warn Earth of an invasion. 113 00:11:37.139 --> 00:11:39.840 And he dies before he can send the message. 114 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:41.759 So he's failed. 115 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:47.519 And that's a great hook into, like, into the story we get in 4 weeks' time. 116 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:49.980 It's like, it's a great teaser. 117 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:53.700 So yeah, as an as a as a Dalek reintroduction story. 118 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.919 This is, I mean, this is this is the stuff. 119 00:11:56.220 --> 00:12:05.159 It's like, you know, he's, uh, Terry Nation's basically writing the pilot for his American, um, Dalek series here. 120 00:12:05.220 --> 00:12:06.840 He's like, oh, this is how it'll work. 121 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:08.700 We'll kill the lead actor every week. 122 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:32.879 I mean, you know, there is a Blake 7ness to it, and there's hints of kind of like a sort of militaristic or sort of authoritarian regime on earth. 123 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.500 Uh, you know, when we go back to Earth in a few weeks time. 124 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:48.360 And here we have a situation where the space security service are able to kill people, if they want and can press, gang anyone into doing what they say. 125 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:53.220 So they, they have the authority to tell Lowry to do whatever. 126 00:12:54.659 --> 00:13:00.600 And that is the world, of course, that Blake 7 takes place in as well. 127 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.419 Yeah, in a real sense, they're kind of pitching. 128 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:05.940 Like, you know, if we take that analogy further. 129 00:13:07.139 --> 00:13:10.500 Earth really looks like an authoritarian regime at this point. 130 00:13:10.980 --> 00:13:15.539 And they're dressed, you know, quite Hugo Bosk-esque man? 131 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:20.820 I was like, Earth, Earth are the Nazis and they're fighting space communists. 132 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:21.720 Yeah. 133 00:13:22.139 --> 00:13:24.659 Well, I mean, think about Genesis of the Daleks. 134 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.220 That's not just Bob Holmes. 135 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:33.059 The idea that in Genesis of the Daleks, the thals are terrible people and unsympathetic. 136 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.679 There's no likeable characters. 137 00:13:35.220 --> 00:13:37.259 There's no one that we can side with. 138 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:49.799 And that's even almost sort of present in in Planet of the Daleks already when we bring the files back and they aren't the peaceful files from 8 seasons ago or whatever. 139 00:13:50.100 --> 00:13:57.600 They are, you know, they're fiercely militaristic and and they have very little regard for life and and things like that. 140 00:13:57.659 --> 00:13:59.580 And so that is Terry. 141 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:07.860 And that level of bleakness, that level of real politic and stuff is also present in Dalek Invasion of Earth. 142 00:14:07.860 --> 00:14:17.639 You know, so I have this sort of theory that everyone likes to credit Philip Hinchcliffe for Horror of Fang Rock because they don't want to give Graham Williams a win. 143 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:24.179 And I think, and we credit Bob Holmes, and I think Peter Griffiths will agree with me. 144 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:30.600 We tend to credit Bob Holmes for how excellent Genesis of the Daleks is because we don't want to give Terry Nation a win. 145 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:40.500 But all of that stuff, all of that creating equally unsympathetic opposition for the Daleks to face is interesting. 146 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:57.659 And, and in the, I don't know if it happened in the original, but there's a moment where Lowry objects to the death of Jeff and adorable little Marco kind of gives him a bit of a punch in the face and he falls so far. 147 00:14:57.899 --> 00:14:58.379 Yes. 148 00:14:59.220 --> 00:15:13.559 And again, you know, like that's creating this sort of anti-hero that Mark Corey is definitely like, supposed to be the square jawed hero with the absurdly part, Edward DeSouza accent in the original recording. 149 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.019 But he's the, he's our hero. 150 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.799 He's our guy, but he is a bad guy in all sorts of ways. 151 00:15:19.860 --> 00:15:24.480 And later on, we'll see Brett Vine and Sarah Kingdom behaving in similar ways. 152 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:45.659 Whether it's Edward D'Souza with the posh accent or Marco Simeoni here with his impossibly square jaw and good looks, like it definitely belies that, like you say, sort of hint of authoritarianism that undergirds it because, you know, I watched this, you know, because it's just the one episode and I'm like, I want it to be as conversant with it as possible. 153 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:51.840 And because it's so homespun and charming, like I think I'm pretty sure I watched this 10 times. 154 00:15:53.340 --> 00:16:08.639 But by the time I got to the 10th time, that is when I started to notice these things, that the failure, as you were pointing out, that he does fail, like that every part of this, of the human, of the earth mission here fails, because he is a sleeper agent for the space security service. 155 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:26.159 He's the one who tells Lowry to land on Campbell, because he has this suspicion, even though he hasn't told any of his superiors, that while this mission is going on, that this is part of what he's there to do, is to scout ahead for, you know, the reports of the of the Dalek activity that's been sort of rumoured or cited or whatever. 156 00:16:26.340 --> 00:16:50.519 And when he gets down to the planet, he fails, he fails almost from the beginning, because when they get onto the planet, there's some sort of like confusion for me about whether they've chosen to land or crashed, because there's a, they keep saying that the, that, that when we crashed, and now the ship doesn't work, but the moment that they get back into the ship, after Garvey's been killed, or Garvey's been taken over by the Varga plant, he comes back. 157 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:59.039 Corey turns, as soon as he sees that the Varga slash Garvey is approaching Lowry shoots him, and then Lowry's like, what are you doing? 158 00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:01.919 And he starts to panic and he's like, it was either you or him. 159 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:07.500 Like the, the, the decisive action he takes, both times he does it, is to kill one of his other crew members. 160 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:12.960 So he, he kills Lowry when it's clear that he is changing into a Varga plant. 161 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:17.220 But every other time he needs to follow his mission protocols. 162 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.099 He either takes too long or he prevaricates. 163 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:25.259 He goes into exposition mode when he starts to explain to like, what's the point of the mission? 164 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:28.799 Like, he's like, well, you deserve an explanation if I'm going to enlist you. 165 00:17:29.099 --> 00:17:30.779 But... 166 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:30.960 Yeah. 167 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:37.440 But this is the thing is like once he understands that the ship cannot leave and he realises that the Vargas are here. 168 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:44.819 So that means the Daleks are here, he should be in mission critical mode, which is, what's the next thing we need to do is to get the beacon out there. 169 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:47.400 But they, yeah, spend time doing all this stuff. 170 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:57.480 And then once Lowry is putting the launch for the beacon together, he's still like sitting around monologuing. like you should be recording recording the tape now. 171 00:17:57.779 --> 00:18:03.059 Yeah, there's so many failures on his capacity in this mission. 172 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:08.099 Like he, he very rarely takes the decisive action he needs to do when he needs to do it. 173 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:14.880 Like, you were pointing out earlier, when the Daleks say, you know, should we bring these guys in as captive, they're like, no, kill them on site. 174 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:19.680 Like, Corey doesn't do what the mission requires of him when it does require it of him. 175 00:18:19.740 --> 00:18:23.220 So he has failed along every point of this of this mission. 176 00:18:23.579 --> 00:18:33.420 So I just think that's important to say, like, in terms of the fact that he also represents an authoritarian regime, like, when he has to take command, he fails almost every single point. 177 00:18:33.420 --> 00:18:45.779 I take your point about that, but I think with the type, he's kind of stuck in this thing where old mate wants to send the tape up to get rescued and he's like, I am not doing that. 178 00:18:46.079 --> 00:19:01.859 Like, this is a suicide mission, and when the tape goes up, it's me telling them about the Daleks, but he can't record that in front of the other guy. just to wait till it's like, I've got to wait till his back's turned or he's dead. before I can do this recording. 179 00:19:02.819 --> 00:19:04.859 There is a hilarious moment, isn't there? 180 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:08.220 Where it's just like, all right, you know, grab this huge giant thing. 181 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:10.619 Weve got to get out of here. cut it through the jungle. 182 00:19:11.819 --> 00:19:13.980 Just record it now and sit it now. 183 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.539 Why are you carrying somewhere else? 184 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:31.500 I do love this production because it's like they've gone, oh, what's something we can do at university with our very limited abilities and go, oh, we could make a TV show from the 60s, easy. 185 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.299 We needed some pot plants. and some plyboard. 186 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:38.279 Yeah, and a lot of... 187 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:43.019 Apparently they ended up doing a soap opera episode as well. 188 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:52.079 Like they liaise with people who are making Coronation Street and... a soap episode and obviously that's a sort of reasonably low budget thing. that you can that you can do. 189 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:57.240 Like I think this was an, you know, just an absolutely extraordinarily brilliant idea. 190 00:19:57.539 --> 00:20:04.740 And it's the one thing that you can remake where because there's no regulars in it, it doesn't matter that you recast everyone. 191 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:09.660 You know, you don't have someone having to do a sort of Bill Hartnell impersonation or anything like that. 192 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:11.339 And so this is perfect. 193 00:20:11.579 --> 00:20:13.619 Literally the only thing that you could do this to. 194 00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:15.359 I mean, it's such a gift. 195 00:20:15.420 --> 00:20:20.880 We're so incredibly lucky to have it because so we'll talk more about this. 196 00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:28.859 I think in a couple of weeks time, but like my proper 1st experience of this story was the CD with the MP3s on it. 197 00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:29.759 Oh, yeah. 198 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:39.720 And loading it onto a 1st generation iPod shuffle, which had the capacity of like 256 or 512 mag. 199 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:41.880 You know, the one that was like a stick of gum. 200 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:45.900 Yeah, and you could just clip it on your... didn't have a clip, it had a lanyard. 201 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.160 You had it around your neck. 202 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.480 It was really old. 203 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:49.980 And I just... 204 00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:51.960 Please, I looked like a highlighter on land. 205 00:20:52.019 --> 00:20:52.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 206 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.599 And I just listened to it over and over and over again when I was walking to work. 207 00:20:57.660 --> 00:21:02.940 It would take me, you know, 50 minutes of walk to work, I would get 2 episodes of Dalek, so I was planning. 208 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.920 And so that was kind of my 1st experience of it. 209 00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:06.180 I loved Darlic Monaster Plan. 210 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:07.500 I just think it's absolutely superb. 211 00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:12.720 But I hadn't really realised until a remake how just superb this is. 212 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.420 Like it is properly good. 213 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:17.460 And I think that Varga plant thing. 214 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.559 You know, we've had the slither. 215 00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:27.599 The Mayer beasts. and whatever the hell those things were in the swamp in the dialect. 216 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:32.759 You know, like he's always wanted to put like ridiculous monsters in. 217 00:21:33.059 --> 00:21:40.559 And the Wanga plants are ridiculous monsters, like they are, you know, fabulously silly, dragging themselves in. 218 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:43.380 I loved that line. 219 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.240 It's what Triffords do. 220 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:57.359 And even that sort of like got me thinking about, again, that sort of Mark Corey's various failures is that he's so used to things being done a certain way that once he takes command, it is he who is dragging his roots. 221 00:21:57.660 --> 00:22:05.460 Like, and I was just like, oh, my God, it's all, it's all, uh, it's, uh, talking about terry nation, like giving him probably more credit than he deserves. 222 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.799 I was ready to give him some props. 223 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:23.759 I mean, here too, the faga plants also help sell the idea of a massive communist enemy as well because what they do is that they turn you into a sleeper agent who is going to go and kill people. 224 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:30.779 And so you can't tell that someone has been subverted and might kill you at any moment. 225 00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:34.079 Until they turn into a plant, obviously. 226 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:35.880 There's a bunch of cotton wool with sticks. 227 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:37.799 That's such a great moment. 228 00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:46.079 It's so fun at the moment where Garvey just kind of like stretches his head back and holds out his because, whoa, and then suddenly phoop is a giant plant. 229 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:48.480 So good. one of the best moments. 230 00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:54.240 I hope it was like that in the original. dragging himself by his human legs. 231 00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:57.059 I also love how cramped it is. 232 00:22:57.059 --> 00:22:58.980 Like an actual 60s episode. 233 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.440 Like, there's like, oh, the Vaga plant's right there. 234 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:03.420 Right there, and then another one just here. 235 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.480 That was wonderful as well. 236 00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:07.920 Like, that was absolutely wonderful. 237 00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:10.440 Just the minuscule sizes of the sets. 238 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:12.960 It was like watching snake dance again. 239 00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:17.160 But incredible. 240 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:21.779 And that scene where they're preparing the recorder at the bottom of the ship. 241 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:27.059 And I think the ship is beautifully realised, like that's really great. didn't like incredibly cheap. 242 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:35.160 We'll see them attempted again in a few weeks time and then again in Planet of the Daleks, and I think it's much less successful in Planet of the Daleks. 243 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:37.319 But it's such a rocket ship. 244 00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:39.420 Like it's awesome that it looks like a rocket ship. 245 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:45.059 And like that's that's a really cool, but but yes, because there's no space for them to be anywhere else. 246 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.599 The fogs are just sort of like right up against us at that point. 247 00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:50.519 They're terrifying. 248 00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:58.259 Well, it's the sort of, it's the fluffiness that is so contraindicated to the, the giant points that are sticking out of them. 249 00:23:58.500 --> 00:24:06.960 And like the fact that, you know, it's part of the environment, which is a strange thing for me, uh, to associate the Daleks with uh, the Varga plants. 250 00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:12.059 I know that, you know, again, the very 1st time that they're introduced, sort of like they're swampy areas and stuff like that. 251 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:44.460 But I feel like that's something that definitely, you know, was lost later and and really has never appeared in the new series is that the Daleks have these sort of like ancillary attack modes or like, you know, you're talking about sleeper agents, Nathan, earlier, but like also like the fact that they can bring as mechanical and as sort of solid and metallic as they look, they have a sort of natural component that they bring with them that they can install to like begin to sort of like manipulate that environment in the sort of way that, you know, the sort of Zygon plan in the 50th anniversary 252 00:24:44.460 --> 00:25:02.940 is to terraform the planet to make it habitable for the Zygons that the Daleks have these sort of like, and I wondered about it, again, until I watched it several times and finally got this idea that they bring them with them to the planet, you know, to install them as sort of like, uh, guards or sentries or whatever happens to be. 253 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:09.420 And as slow as they move, it doesn't matter because as soon as you touch it, it begins to exert that influence. 254 00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:11.940 It's kind it's insidious and kind of excellent. 255 00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:15.480 It's kind of like a slow moving zombie plant apocalypse. 256 00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:17.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 257 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:28.559 Well, I mean, like, Terry, Terry has some weird idea about plants, I have to say, because we had the, we had the fungoids, which not plants, admittedly. 258 00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:31.559 They were funkis from the chase. 259 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.900 Yeah, they're like tugging. 260 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:34.799 Stop it at once. 261 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:43.740 He does that thing where he thinks, he goes, they're plants, but it's like they're alive. 262 00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:46.200 I know what you think alive. 263 00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:47.099 They really are. 264 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.779 Most plants are, Terry. 265 00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:52.259 Just because he can't keep a pot plant going. doesn't mean the rest of us. 266 00:25:55.200 --> 00:26:02.519 I think, you know, the only the only kind of hint of this that we get, like, Terry does like to put sort of monsters in there. 267 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:11.819 And so Planet of the Daleks has the fungus things that spray Joe. And then there's the roots in death to the dialects. 268 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:19.140 And then, of course, when we're trying to get in under the Dalek city, much as we did in the Daleks, we've got those giant clams and stuff. 269 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:20.039 Yeah, yeah. 270 00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:20.640 Oh, yeah. 271 00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:21.599 I love the big clans. 272 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:28.500 I think they might be the most successful ones and it may be because they 1st encountered them when I was 10 and thought they were amazing. 273 00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:41.579 And I hadn't put that together either because once in the Capaldi era, when they do the magician's apprentice and the, when they go and visit Baby Davros or whatever, they've got the hand mines, which I, like, I'd forgotten about, those are genius also. 274 00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:46.799 That is very Terry Nation now that you mention all these other examples that, again, just slipped my mind. 275 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.859 It's a lot of strange genetic engineering that the Daleks are doing. 276 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.559 I guess because, you know, they're internally. 277 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.700 There's a weird genetic modified blob. 278 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:01.500 And so they're constantly trying to make other ancillary blobs. 279 00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:10.079 I mean, it is also just a sort of a way of delaying the Daleks, because we want to make the Daleks really deadly here. 280 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:12.720 We can only really encounter them. 281 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:18.960 Like you get that one moment where they sort of appear behind a dalek and then, you know, quickly get down on the dalek, doesn't notice. 282 00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:19.559 I love that though. 283 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:20.519 It's really good. 284 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:27.299 And, you know, the Dalek inability to see people who are quite near them is sort of legendary. 285 00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:34.920 But we essentially have to like the account with them has to be deadly because we're just making them super deadly from now on. 286 00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:48.359 And so we have to have an intermediate threat, which is clearly what the slither is for and clearly what the those octopus things in the swamp or that big drain that that guy falls over near and dies for some reason in the Daleks. 287 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:59.880 Um, uh, so to have this intermediate threat, he just makes it a Dalek threat, he says, okay, well, the Daleks, they they like to bring pot plants with them to the pilots that they invade. 288 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:02.099 In a macrame holder. 289 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:04.859 And it's just a thing. 290 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.460 Can we talk about the sets again? 291 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:20.279 Because you were talking about how the how crowded the set is with the with the rocket ship and the 2 Varga plants? 292 00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:27.000 Like there's a really like, there's a lushness to that and a fulness to what you see on screen. 293 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:39.119 But what I really want to mention and shout out is the production staff, the set designers, because for a 24, 25 minute episode, there were a lot of different sets in this episode. 294 00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:41.160 Like the variety is almost constant. 295 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:57.900 Like you do go back and forth to Corey and Lowry at the ship and, you know, whatever, but you get 3 or 4 distinct sets and in the course of a 24, 25 minute episodes, It feels a lot pacier because you're seeing so many things in the course of such a short period of time. 296 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.720 And also, we get the model set, which is hilarious. 297 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:01.440 I love that. 298 00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:08.579 Little tiny Daleks going around. so cute. was so great. being pushed on sticks. 299 00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:09.539 Yes. 300 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:14.519 Oh, I thought they were like had magnets underneath and someone's like dragging them along and they're not quite keeping up. 301 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:22.259 But no, but they I think they did manage the the feel of a guy in a tricycle. you know what I mean? 302 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.299 Who doesn't have any, like, really good. like that. 303 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:31.500 The way that the Daleks move in the studio. which is very much guy on tricycle. you know, moving in little fits and starts. 304 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.240 Like I think that they did really manage that. 305 00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:38.039 And I have to say the 1st time I saw it before I saw the making of it didn't occur to me that they were little models. 306 00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:42.240 I did think that they were pretty well done, particularly since they're mostly in close-up. 307 00:29:42.299 --> 00:29:44.220 Like, I think the close-up are the full size ones. 308 00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:45.480 The closer, yeah. 309 00:29:45.539 --> 00:29:48.180 I mean, there's one that looks like it's only, they've only made half of it. 310 00:29:50.579 --> 00:30:01.079 The only thing that gave it away to me was the console thing behind them. because it looked like a little model, whereas everything else moving, like because everything else was in motion, I mean, again, they hit it very very well. 311 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.599 And they do have full-size dialects, don't they? 312 00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:05.940 Yeah, in the actual in in the forest. 313 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:22.440 I mean, in the original thing, we go away for 4 weeks, don't we, to do the myth makers and then we come back and presumably all the sort of aspodistras and ferns and things that we bought and we're just storing them in the production office and stuff for a month and then we drag them back into the studio or something. 314 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.859 So maybe we amortise that over. 315 00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:29.700 I mean, it's not like this is our last time on the planet Campbell. 316 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:48.960 No Let's talk about the fact that the doctor and Stephen and Vicki aren't here. 317 00:30:49.619 --> 00:30:56.099 It must have been such a like a mind-blowing experience for people to tune into Doctor Who, and there's no Doctor Who. 318 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.319 Like there's Daleks, which we all love. 319 00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:02.700 But it's like, oh, he's not, oh, okay. 320 00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:05.220 They're having a wake off. 321 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 322 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.460 And I mean, we kind of are now used to that. 323 00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:13.380 And, you know, the show has given its regulars the week off before now. 324 00:31:13.380 --> 00:31:15.240 Up on the head, little 9 eyes. 325 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:16.140 Yeah, that's right. 326 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.680 I'm just going to pop ahead with his travel dial to episode five. 327 00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:22.920 I'm gonna be in this prison that I can't really be seen in. 328 00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:26.700 So it's not like it hasn't happened before. 329 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:32.220 This is not the only Dr. Light episode to date, but one with no regulars at all. 330 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:41.279 And what's really weird about it is the way that they feel like they have to throw the narrative to this place. 331 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:46.559 Normally the narrative tracks, the doctor wherever he is or the doctor and his friends. 332 00:31:46.920 --> 00:32:02.880 But in order to license an episode without them, we have to have Vicki look out the window or whatever, um, at the end of Galaxy 4, and she kind of goes, oh, look at that planet, I wonder what's going on there. 333 00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:05.940 And then you have the doctor saying, yes, I wonder as well. 334 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.400 And then we actually cut to that opening scene. 335 00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:13.440 Like so we see Garvey regaining consciousness and telling us all that he's off to kill someone. 336 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:21.059 I mean, so it looks like we're getting a story which starts from the outside and that's not that common. 337 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.460 Has that happened yet at this point? 338 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:32.099 Have we had a story that starts, you know, how in the 70s, very frequently, you know, the story starts on the planet and then the doctor arrives. 339 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.400 But that's not normal in the 60s, is it? 340 00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:36.059 No, not really. 341 00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:40.559 Like, it's headfirst into whatever the mysterious cliffhanger was. 342 00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:41.880 Yeah, yeah. 343 00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:50.099 And so and so we're probably waiting for the doctor to arrive for the entire time and then he never does and everyone gets killed. 344 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.799 Yeah, if you were a kid, you'd be like, what happened there? 345 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:54.539 The Daleks just murdered everyone. 346 00:32:55.380 --> 00:33:11.759 And then next week, we get the myth makers, which, again, is 3 really fun kind of comedy episodes and then, you know, a violent massacre in which everyone is killed again. you know, and then we're back on Kemble. 347 00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:27.960 I mean, it is very strange, because what we've decided to do is instead of having a dalek story at the start of the season and at the end of the season, like we did last year, we're combining them into one giant event where we have 3 months of just Dalek stuff happening. 348 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:38.579 And so for us, because we're used to watching, because for us, the basic narrative unit of Doctor Who, classic Doctor Who is the four-part story or the six-part story or whatever. 349 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.880 And that's what you buy as a DVD and stuff like that. 350 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.640 It's not consumed like that by the people at home. 351 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.299 And because, you know, at this point, it's not part one, part two. 352 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:49.259 It's not even on screen. 353 00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:54.900 You know, everything has, you know, like an individual title, which we are kind of warned about. 354 00:33:55.019 --> 00:34:10.619 I mean, just think about the experience of the myth makers episode 4 where everyone's horribly killed, all of these fun characters are all sort of killed off and everything goes to hell and the doctor barely escapes and Stephen's really injured and all of that stuff's happening. 355 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.340 And then it says on screen next week, the nightmare begins. 356 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:21.300 Like, that, that whole way of watching Doctor Who. 357 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.300 And so this thing kind of works. 358 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:38.280 It's here for kind of weird budgetary reasons because we had to reshoot the Daleks, you know, 1st episode, we had to reshoot an unearthly child, we lost an episode when we combined episodes 3 and 4 of Planet of Giants. 359 00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:44.639 And so we have one more stray episode, this block, and it would be a good idea not to have any of the regulars in it. 360 00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:55.380 So it is here for just a sort of weird reason, but it just works incredibly as setting up what is just an enormous event. 361 00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:07.079 I think that it's kind of impossible to really understand now, given that we, you know, have so little of it and given that our experience of Doctor Who is nothing like this at any other time. 362 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:25.380 It also gives a moment in that 1st episode of the Dalek Master Plan, when they are ignoring the message from Brett Vion, and they're talking about, you know, having their exposition conversation, that it gives that even more tragedy, having seen this episode. 363 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:34.260 You're like, 0 man, all of that has been for nothing because they're just ignoring this little warning sign that this he's found the tape. 364 00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:37.199 He knows what's going on, but we're watching the telly. 365 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:46.619 It kind of shows what happens when the doctor arrives late. to a story because he's not on Campbell. 366 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:52.920 Like, he doesn't discover it because you think if he discovered that message, maybe it would only be a 4 parter. 367 00:35:53.280 --> 00:36:09.420 And I was going to say, just to bring both of those last couple comments together that, and, you know, we've gestured toward this already, that this is sort of sort of sets, you know, again, we have had maybe had episodes where the principles weren't hugely involved, but this is the, the, as a doctor less episode. 368 00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:14.760 You know, this sort of is an er text for what a doctor light episode can do and can be. 369 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:37.019 What I mean by that is it sort of sets sort of wide boundaries for what happens, not only when the doctor is late, but when the doctor's not around, like, you know, talking about the inclination towards where Terry Nation will head in Blake 7, that the universe that the doctor occupies is one of, you know, I think it's the 2nd doctor who says, you know, there are various evils out there that have to be fought. 370 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:41.340 Like, this is showing you what is possible when the doctor is not there. 371 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:46.139 You know, whether it's because he's not there or because he didn't exist before or because he's late. 372 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:59.760 Like the people who are in charge, you know, and that is whether that's Captain Lowry here when they land or when Mark Corey takes over, that it's just a succession of people screwing up until everyone's dead. 373 00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:11.159 Like, that is, that is not a very pleasant look at, at what the world or what the universe or what the galaxy or whichever word you want to use is like when, yeah, when, when there's no doctor. 374 00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:13.019 It's a, it can be a, it's a dark place. 375 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:14.519 It's survival of the fittest. 376 00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:23.340 Which also acts as a kind of trailer to our big Dalek epic at the end of the season. 377 00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:31.079 So, you know, perhaps perhaps that is in some way an inspiration, you know, for how that season ends. 378 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:54.719 And I think too, as well, maybe Dalek in series one, which is the small scale thing, you know, explicitly Dalek, you know, it's the 1st time that we've had Dalek in the title where it hasn't been plural or a modifier, and then that leads to, you know, more Daleks than we've ever seen in a Doctor Who story ever. 379 00:37:55.260 --> 00:38:05.280 And that's, again, set in a kind of bleak totalitarian future as well, although one that's been kind of engineered for humanity by the Daleks themselves. 380 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:14.340 But the crazy thing about both of those episodes, about turn left and Dalek, is that you have in the episode, the example of the kind of solace and sucker that the doctor provides. 381 00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:19.559 In this episode, Corey, Lowry, Garvey, these are just normal. 382 00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:23.280 And this is the other thing we haven't really talked about, is this sort of terry nation sort of naming conventions. 383 00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:24.360 Like, there's none of that here. 384 00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:31.980 Like, there are none of the, there are no Dells, no Terrence, uh, none of these, like, they're all just like Mark, Corey, Jeff. 385 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.860 Like, these are these are just regular guys. 386 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.800 Like, there is no, there is no Doctor Who. 387 00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:51.900 You know, there is no, there is no bigger thing that's going to come and say that's what Corey wants to do to get the message out there, is to hope that someone hears the beacon and will come and understand that the Daleks are on their way thinking about our contemporary world. 388 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.000 Like there's no one coming to save us. 389 00:38:54.059 --> 00:38:55.980 And that is that is terrifying. 390 00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:03.000 You know, as far as the guys who are the lead characters, the sort of the nominal heroes of this episode, there's no one coming, guys. 391 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.000 That is that is bleak. 392 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.260 Yeah. 393 00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:20.460 I think it also, it sets up beautifully what has become a trope, for one of a better term, in the more recent series, which is the best episodes are the doctor light ones. 394 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:25.679 Like, you know, blink is incredible and we barely see the doctor. 73 yards. 395 00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:37.380 The doctor is in it for like all of 12 seconds, you know, and it's it's become a thing where if you get the doctor out of the way, you can make things much more terrifying. 396 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:49.199 Like, Lucky Day is really unnerving because all of our heroes lose in that, essentially, until the very end, where Deos X Macanab, the monster is unleashed. 397 00:39:49.260 --> 00:40:00.239 But yeah, it's, uh, it isn't, it's interesting that, that that kind of idea goes all the way back to the 60s, that that is something the show has been doing for a very long time. 398 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:08.639 And I was going to shout out dart and bubble as well, which, I mean, may not be the 1st thing that comes to mind, but this is a scenario in which no one cares. 399 00:40:09.179 --> 00:40:10.380 No one wants your help. 400 00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:13.139 Like that is that's even crueller. 401 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:36.900 And that's one of the things where, you know, I feel like people sort of overlook the RTD 2 era for the sort of like, for the arc episodes, because a lot of what happens in the more granular, like standalone episodes is a lot darker and bleaker and more pessimistic and and more sort of like look at the world we live in, then I think that the, especially any part of the 1st RTD era was. 402 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.579 But yeah, that sort of comes through here again, like the more times I watched it. 403 00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:51.900 There are lines that just stick out in Mission to the Unknown where, you know, Corey's, what his mission is or what his goal is has to change every few minutes when he, as things get worse and worse. 404 00:40:51.960 --> 00:41:01.199 And there's one part where he tells Lowry, you know, when they're still trying to figure out a way to get people to come and rescue them, where he says, all we have to do is stay alive until we get here. 405 00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:05.340 And like the 10th time I watched that, I was like, that's all you have to do. 406 00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:07.079 That's not going to happen. 407 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.780 I'm like, that is, you've set your sights way too high, guy. 408 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.900 Yeah, I love that he's kind of like Spice James Bond. 409 00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:16.079 Well, I think that was that was very much either. 410 00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:17.400 I think license to kill. 411 00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:19.739 You know, like that line is there. 412 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.460 He's described in that way in order to be Space James Bond. 413 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.739 And it like it is a different type of leading man. 414 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:31.440 And remember that you've got the doctor who is a very weird leading man for this. 415 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:41.219 Like when the Daleks master plan comes along and he's going through jungles and, you know, stealing spaceships from the car park at the at the conference centre on Campbell. 416 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:48.719 You know, like, you know, he's an odd, an odd leading man for this. 417 00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:53.159 But Mark Corey is a more obvious leading man for this kind of story. 418 00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:59.579 And of course, we move the doctor to being more like Corey as time goes by. 419 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:05.579 I mean, Pat Trouton's not much like Mark Corey, but he is at least younger and a little bit kind of mobile. 420 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.760 Yeah, well, but and resourceful. 421 00:42:08.820 --> 00:42:10.739 Like, he can disguise himself and stuff like that. 422 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.000 Like, James Bond, the doctor, like these icons that come up in this discussion. 423 00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:22.139 Like, that's one of the things that you realise about Mark Corey as you watch this episode is he doesn't have it. 424 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:23.460 He doesn't have it. 425 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.219 Like whatever they have, he doesn't have it. 426 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:31.800 And that is, it just, it gets harder to watch every time you watch it when you realise his dad's going to get out. 427 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:35.460 Was he the George Lazenby of Doctor Who? 428 00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:40.500 Don't tell Palm again that. 429 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.320 It's one of the great things about being able to see this. 430 00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:05.460 You know, what is that, seven, 7 years before, episodes one and 3 of the, like, how lucky we've been over the past, like, 7 years to have this leading the way. 431 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.239 Like this as the sort of vanguard of what we would get to come. 432 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:19.019 But like to have all of those things restored and to watch it again, uh, you know, listened, I listened to the uh, Peter Purvis linking narration soundtrack a couple of times also. 433 00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:27.960 It really is fun, especially to have sort of that presence in the story before he actually enters the story, as it were. 434 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:34.440 But one thing I really noticed here that, I don't know, you know, I don't really spend a lot of time and it's my, it's, that's my loss. 435 00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:37.139 That's my failure with the Hartnell era. 436 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.239 Like, I've said on other podcasts before. 437 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.099 Like, I have more exposure to the Hartnell era through big finish audio plays. 438 00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:48.119 Like, I love Peter Purpose playing the 1st doctor in Big Finish. 439 00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:51.179 I love the David Bradley unbound sort of doctor. 440 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.260 But I spend much more time with that than I have with the episodes themselves. 441 00:43:55.739 --> 00:44:07.619 And one thing I noticed in listening and watching Mission to the Unknown several times now is the, you know, we talk about like the sort of four-partness of Doctor Who at this sort of stage. 442 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:19.559 But with a one parter, you have, I want to say 4 or 5 different cliffhangers and that these are indicated by the sort of like brass flourishes or there's a string flourish at one point. 443 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:25.139 There's one where the Dalek, you know, announces his I think it's the one where he says like, no, they have to be killed on site. 444 00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:32.039 And there's a sort of, you know, a basso profundo, sort of like really deep and rumbling sort of cliffhanger flourish. 445 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:42.239 Like, I love that that, again, like, it keeps the pace going that each of these, like, scenes or set pieces is sort of its own sort of mini episode within an episode. 446 00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:50.159 And I'd never really noticed the extent to which music is used in the Hartnell era specifically to indicate rising tension. 447 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:51.960 And I really appreciated that here. 448 00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:56.519 But they replicated even in the in the UCL presentation. 449 00:44:56.579 --> 00:45:01.800 When you watch it on the Doctor Who YouTube channel, that is a really charming intro that Edward D'Souza gives. 450 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.340 And he says, enjoy the program, but beware the Vargas. 451 00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:07.320 And then they do another little sting. 452 00:45:07.380 --> 00:45:16.139 Like, I'm just like, and I, again, I only noticed that having now watched the episode and listen to the, to the, to the linking narration production as well. 453 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.219 And then at the very, very end when they're, they put up on the screen, the Daleks will return. 454 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:21.480 There's yet another one. 455 00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:26.039 And I just, and I'm just like, that is such, it's such an integral part. 456 00:45:26.099 --> 00:45:27.599 And again, one that I had never noticed before. 457 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.300 And I have a real appreciation for it now. 458 00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:38.579 And that strikes me as a very cheesy kind of, like a flash gore kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah. 459 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:41.340 Like absolutely that sort of dramatic sting. 460 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:53.820 And it's nothing at all like the kind of music that we've had in previous dialect stories, which is intended to be for atmosphere more than anything else, including the chase, where the atmosphere is isn't all this terribly silly. 461 00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:16.440 But, you know, the incredible music in both of the 2 previous Stalek serials. which is nothing like that, where this is a absolute soap opera soundtrack, which is coming into just underline the thrilling tension rather than the weird or threatening atmosphere that we get in the other ones. 462 00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:23.219 And so it is all part of that development of what the Daleks have become like in their kind of 4th appearance. 463 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:33.360 And I wonder also if that rising tension and dropping, you know, almost like there's ad breaks is because Terry Nation is like, how do they do things in America? 464 00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:35.940 How do I sell this to the Americans? 465 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:37.559 There's going to be commercials. 466 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:44.039 I've got to find that that rhythm that American TV shows have because I really want to make even more money than I've got now. 467 00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:51.239 I was going to say, the weird thing is I felt, I, you know, as the American on the panel, I fell for it. 468 00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:52.739 Like, I fell for a hook line and sinker. 469 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.559 Like, I really like, I loved the rhythm of it. 470 00:46:55.619 --> 00:46:57.900 I love the paciness of it. 471 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:09.000 I loved the sort of over the top serialness, the flashboard, the Star Warsness of like almost, you know, there weren't like screen wipes, but like the flourishes had that sort of effect, you know? 472 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:10.320 I was carried along by it. 473 00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:12.599 It's like, again, it's how you do space opera. 474 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:22.500 But I mean, compared to like the Daleks episode six, which is just a couple of years earlier, which is almost intolerably slow and boring. 475 00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:26.099 So much of it made it into that 90 minute cut, and I don't know why. 476 00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:45.719 So the show itself, I think, you know, has advanced from being, you know, like the Daleks itself, when it's successful and it is sometimes successful, is atmosphere and design and conceptions and stuff. 477 00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:47.639 It's classic science fiction. 478 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:56.699 And then it's a little bit more action adventure in Dalek Invasion of Earth, which is the point we made a few weeks ago, is that's where Doctor Who lands. 479 00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:57.480 Do you know what I mean? 480 00:47:57.539 --> 00:47:58.619 That's a little bit more central. 481 00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:03.599 You know, there's the camp nonsense of the chase. 482 00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:08.880 But here, this is us absolutely doing space opera. 483 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:10.199 Space opera. 484 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:11.519 So good. 485 00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:11.880 So good. 486 00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:16.739 And again, we you know, we've mentioned it earlier, but the crazy outfits of the of the delegates. 487 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.219 It's just like it all, it feels, it feels right. 488 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:21.480 It feels right. 489 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.099 It feels good. 490 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.920 And when they're all like having their sort of conference. 491 00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:38.159 Like, it's such a contrast to what's going on outside with Corey and Lowry trying to figure out how to make contact, like, that this sort of like organised, civilised, like, it, it, I really love that contrast as well. 492 00:48:38.219 --> 00:48:41.940 Like this episode does so many things in 24, 25 minutes. 493 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:51.179 Uh, and you know, we've, we've, you know, we mentioned it's a, it's a running joke about the universe, uh, solar system, uh, galaxy kind of stuff. 494 00:48:51.239 --> 00:49:13.079 But I, again, I love this idea where the Daleks, when, or the scene where the dogs are talking about, you know, how this conquest will, uh, uh, you were alluding to it earlier, Nathan, the sort of, we will go after Mars and Venus and Jupiter and the, and the lunar colony. will be first, like, because it is, and I love because, and the dog says, because it's the centre of the solar system. 495 00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:15.360 And I'm like... 496 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:16.380 Do the dogs not have... 497 00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:17.880 Do the dogs not have star charts? 498 00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:21.539 Like, I never pictured the Daleks being sort of atavistic geocentrists. 499 00:49:21.539 --> 00:49:24.780 Like, we're past Ptolemy at this point, guys. 500 00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.440 Like, yeah, although, wake up and smell like Copernicus. 501 00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:35.460 If this was in my podcast, I would now theorise that they're talking about the economic centre of the solar system. 502 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.579 Oh my, and I would buy into that. 503 00:49:39.539 --> 00:49:45.000 And so when they talk about the centre of it, like the solar system for them is a construct. 504 00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:46.800 It's not even the physical thing. 505 00:49:46.860 --> 00:50:01.260 They talk about the solar system as like, oh, it's an alliance of planets that we're, you know, trying to invade and the earth is the centre of it because that's where all of the, you know, and that's why Maverick Chen is the guardian of the solar system because he's got all of the Excel spreadsheets. 506 00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:04.320 He's got the big key. 507 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:09.360 I was going to say, I totally buy into that now because we've seen how Maveic Chen like regards everything. 508 00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:10.079 Like, I love that. 509 00:50:10.139 --> 00:50:10.679 What is it? 510 00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:15.659 episode 3 where he's just like leaning against the panel having a cigarette while the dogs are talking about killing everybody. 511 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:16.800 I'm like, yeah? 512 00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:20.039 But he knows where he knows where his bread is butter. 513 00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:21.960 He knows who's paying the who's paying the bills. 514 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:31.679 I mean, I think they said sort of terrible, charming thing as well, where I think Corey is explaining about how the Daleks have been expanding. 515 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.139 For 500 years, yes. 516 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:35.039 Yeah, yeah. 517 00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:45.480 And they've taken over like 70 different planets in like at some nearby galaxy or something and an extra 40 planets in the constellation of mirror. 518 00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:50.460 It just kind of... doesn't seem all that urgent. 519 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.780 And then there's that thing where it's like, but they're 1000000s of light years away from us. 520 00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:57.539 Or so we thought, it's like when they moved. 521 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:00.900 They do like to move planets. 522 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:02.880 Well, they do. 523 00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:03.420 That is true. 524 00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:05.340 They do. spin around. 525 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:24.239 I think there is a kind of level of deliberateness to the just ludicrous inaccuracies of cosmology here. because they're trying to make it sound future and because they're trying to sketch in this sort of weird intergalactic world. 526 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:31.380 We're going planet hopping in this sort of crazy way, in 4 weeks time, things are going to be really amazing. 527 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:36.599 We're going to be going from planet to planet to planet to planet without sort of time machines to take us there as well. 528 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:59.519 Well, I think the other side of that coin, though, is that that discussion between Lowry and Corey just shows how Lowry, especially, who doesn't know any of this, but Corey, for his own part, as much as he does know, they're still underestimating the ruthlessness and the sort of the sort of domino effect that you were talking about earlier, Adam, of in terms of contemporary geopolitics. 529 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.099 Like the dominoes are falling and they're getting closer. 530 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:05.880 Like, you may think that that's far away, but you don't know the Daleks. 531 00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:07.559 So I think that there's that as well. 532 00:52:08.219 --> 00:52:11.340 Yeah, they're basically going, we're on Vietnam. 533 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:12.119 Look at the jungle. 534 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:14.940 It's happening now. 535 00:52:16.619 --> 00:52:17.880 We have to deal with it. 536 00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:19.559 Otherwise, we're all going to be Vaga plants. 537 00:52:46.260 --> 00:52:48.719 Well, that's all the time we have to be some week. 538 00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:58.800 We'll be back next week to discuss a three month Dalek epic that spans every universe in the solar system in the Daleks master plan. 539 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:19.380 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us on our website, 500yeardiary.com, where you'll find our social media links as well as links to all of our other podcasts, including the entirety of flights or entirety, which comprises every episode of our 4 Doctor Who podcasts. 540 00:53:20.699 --> 00:53:25.440 Until next time, if any of you know Marco Simeoni, please shout him a drink for us. 541 00:53:25.500 --> 00:53:26.639 He's adorable. 542 00:53:27.059 --> 00:53:29.099 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 543 00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:30.360 Good night. 544 00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:31.139 Ta-ta. 545 00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:31.679 Good night. 546 00:53:43.739 --> 00:53:49.380 That was 500 Year Diaries, starring Nathan Bottomley, Melvin Penya, Adam Richard, and James Selwood. 547 00:53:49.619 --> 00:53:51.960 The theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. 548 00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:59.400 This episode, Solace and Sucker, was recorded on the 21st of June 2026 and released on the 13th of September. 549 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:14.340 Adjust over an hour in length, this episode is about 2.4 times the length of the story itself, which means it would be wise to expect next week's episode on the Dalek's master plan to be 12.5 hours long. 550 00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:17.579 So it might be an idea to clear your diary. 551 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:29.340 What do you think? 552 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:31.079 That was fun. 553 00:54:31.139 --> 00:54:32.159 Yeah, I think that was good. 554 00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:35.579 Yeah, I think that was, I can't believe that we spoke for so long about it. 555 00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:36.239 We did. 556 00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:37.260 Well, because it's fun. 557 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:43.500 Also, you know, it feeds into, you know, a lot of ongoing things in the series. 558 00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.719 So it's, it's, uh, Yeah. 559 00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:46.139 Yeah. 560 00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:59.280 And it's, and it's also, it's also so much richer than, than I think you, then you, then you give it credit for on a, on a sort of cursory, uh, a cursory glance or, or, you know, you think of it as an, as a sort of like throwaway. 561 00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:01.440 They call it, didn't they used to call it the Dalek? 562 00:55:01.980 --> 00:55:04.860 I tried to get that into the script, actually, of the intro. 563 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:06.719 It wouldn't work out. 564 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:14.639 Because isn't the, isn't the, I thought the charlic cutaway was the, that cardboard garlic, that they... 565 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:30.900 So the thing that we didn't get the chance to say was that tat wood in about time thinks that that final confrontation in the Daleks episode 7 is so ineptly directed by Richard Martin that you, you can no longer believe that those are just a row of daleks up against the wall of the thing. 566 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:39.659 And then all of the Daleks bring big life-size blow-up photographs of their wives to work. on the wall. 567 00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:45.599 Oh my god, I remember reading them losing my mind. 568 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.099 So they're bringing their macrame in their pot of plants. 569 00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:53.400 It's perfectly in character. 570 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.059 Yeah, around the context. pot plants. 571 00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:04.199 We've got, oh, we've got to bring the accordion man, which the Dalek commandant likes. 572 00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.840 That's his... 573 00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:12.960 Oh, yeah, what absolute nonsense. 574 00:56:13.019 --> 00:56:13.860 It's so charming. 575 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:14.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 576 00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:17.699 I'm so I'm so thrilled that y'all invited me on to talk about this. 577 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:20.039 Oh, thanks. thank you. 578 00:56:20.099 --> 00:56:23.219 Well, but ever since I was assigned it, like, because I had several choices. 579 00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:28.320 And, you know, I was like, oh, it's not, you know, thinking about it in the in the in the intervening months. 580 00:56:28.380 --> 00:56:38.039 I'm like, oh, it's just the one episode, but like, the more I've watched it, again, the richer and more sort of like, the more it's blossomed for me in a sort of Varga plant sort of way. 581 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:40.500 It's really, really perfected. 582 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.199 Like the heart of the year, I don't really rate all that much. 583 00:56:43.500 --> 00:56:44.400 Do you know what I mean? 584 00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:53.639 Like I have to kind of watch it as a historical document rather than something that I can really straightforwardly enjoy, maybe the chase. 585 00:56:55.139 --> 00:57:01.500 Well, like I said, I haven't, well, like I said, I haven't really spent a lot of time with the Heartnell era with the actual, with the actual stories. 586 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:06.480 So, I mean, recently I did an episode for the vinyl to celebrate the vinyl release of the rescue. 587 00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:21.719 Oh, and, you know, again, but the contrast between an episode like that, an episode like this shows you what the consequences of that doctor, that doctorlessness are, because the doctor is, he feels like he is in command, that entire episode. 588 00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:23.219 He sort of swaggers through the whole thing. 589 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:32.699 In the end, when he's in the hall of sort of legends or whatever, you know, leaning back in the chair, waiting for Coquilian to come in, like you feel safe, you feel reassured. 590 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:39.059 And that's the, and again, like, because that was just a couple months ago that I spent a lot of time with that episode. 591 00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:42.539 And then spending a lot of time with this episode in the intervening period. 592 00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.980 Like the contrast is, there's I mean, there's so much variety in the Harlem era. 593 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:53.219 Like there's, it's really, it's really quite wonderful how you can go from something so sort of cosy to something so bleak. 594 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:55.500 And it's going to continue to be bleak. 595 00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:56.340 I mean that's the other thing. 596 00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:01.920 There's lots of like fun Christmas shenanigans, obviously, around Christmas and New Year in this story. 597 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:08.400 But even the, you know, like we've got the Daleks heading towards Earth. you know they're going to attack us. 598 00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:09.599 Do you know what I mean? 599 00:58:09.659 --> 00:58:10.679 Like during that time. 600 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:12.360 Yeah, yeah. 601 00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:19.199 And, and, but, you know, this ends with everyone dies, 4 weeks later everyone dies. 602 00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:24.119 You know, by the time the Dalek's master plan happens, he's lost 3 companions. 603 00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:25.500 Do you know what I mean? 604 00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:31.800 Like by the end of that, like 3 of his friends have been killed, the planet Campbell has been completely devastated. 605 00:58:32.219 --> 00:58:34.559 And that's a thing that the show does as well. 606 00:58:34.619 --> 00:58:38.579 Like he just doesn't, he's not a proper hero and he doesn't save the day. 607 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:48.539 And so this ends, you know, he does kind of win, but like at that ending, and it's such a shame that we don't have it because that's the other thing too. 608 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:55.320 He turns up, doesn't he, in episode 11 or something like that, and he's been absent, and it's just like, oh, shit, the doctor's back. 609 00:58:55.380 --> 00:58:56.039 That's so great. 610 00:58:56.099 --> 00:58:56.940 I'm so happy. 611 00:58:57.420 --> 00:58:59.579 But he doesn't, you know what I mean? 612 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:06.000 Like, and he only barely gets out of that alive, you know, like, it's super bleak. 613 00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:06.539 Do you remember? 614 00:59:06.780 --> 00:59:10.559 Do you remember in the arc, which is a miserably racist story? 615 00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:20.639 Um, we have the, we speculate that we've just been bringing diseases to everywhere that we go. 616 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:22.019 Oh, yeah. 617 00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:28.679 It's like, yeah, yeah, Dodo, Dodo infects the mono space syphilis. 618 00:59:29.940 --> 00:59:36.059 And but then the doctor says, oh, yes, but we've probably been bringing back, you know, diseases, we listen to everywhere. 619 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.699 They're all those... 620 00:59:38.940 --> 00:59:39.539 Did you know? 621 00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:42.659 I mean, look, that wouldn't be such a loss. 622 00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:58.739 And that was one of actually one of the things that I wondered about early on in my sort of like exploration of Mission to the Unknown was how the Varga plants got there until, you know, I don't know that they actually ever explicitly say it, but it becomes clear that they do bring them with them. 623 00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:06.900 Because I was wondering, like, you know, do they, because, you know, I do a lot of gardening and in past years, I had, uh, had a high breath. 624 01:00:08.219 --> 01:00:14.460 Well, no, but in past years, I had a plant appear in my garden called Amarant, which is sort of what they call a trap crop. 625 01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:16.139 So, you know, it grows. 626 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:27.119 And when you're growing other vegetables, like cucumbers or okra, whatever it is that I grow, like, whatever, for whatever reason, the Japanese beetles or other pests are drawn, it's why I call it a trap crop. 627 01:00:27.179 --> 01:00:32.699 Like they will go to the Amaranth and eat that, which is inconsequential because they're leaving alone everything around it. 628 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:44.699 And so I was wondering, like, did the Daleks, when they came to Kimble, because they knew it would be, I think Corey at some point says like, because it's not a planet that people visit, or because it's sort of out of the way, it's the sort of perfect place for the Daleks to come. 629 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:54.000 So I'm thinking like, like with the Amaranth, like, because I used to farm with my friend Rochelle, I must have tracked that Amaranth seed on my clothes or in my shoe. 630 01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:58.440 So because I didn't plant it here, but it grew here and it's the, it was the exact same one. 631 01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:03.840 So I was like, did the Daleks just sort of track Vargo with them from Scaro or whoever? 632 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.119 Oh, my God, did they muddy football? 633 01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:09.480 They do say that they did bring it to defend themselves, don't they? 634 01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:10.739 Like the Daleks actually say that. 635 01:01:11.219 --> 01:01:21.300 And, you know, it is a way of making the sort of silly monster threat into a Dalek threat and it gives us a good way for Mark Corey to deduce at the Daleks of here before he actually sees them. 636 01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:26.159 Well, they need to they need to look behind them because they can't see behind them. 637 01:01:26.340 --> 01:01:27.300 Yeah, maybe that's it. 638 01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:28.199 They just have one... 639 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:33.059 They say one Vargas to follow us at all times. 640 01:01:33.900 --> 01:01:37.860 I love it if they'd brought seeds and they had to wait for years for them to Germany. 641 01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:46.079 Germination, yeah. like a row creator, like a little watering hire, an attachment. 642 01:01:47.579 --> 01:01:49.019 I don't I don't go. 643 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:55.320 Yeah, what you call it when you... 644 01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:01.800 But yeah, I guess it has 100% germination if you bring dead bodies with you. 645 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:03.599 Just toss a dead body out there.