WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 09:04:22 1 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:37.619 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to 500 Year Diary. 2 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:42.420 The only Doctor Who podcast that's completely gone off kombucha, for some reason. 3 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:43.979 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:44.939 I'm Adam. 5 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:54.240 I'm Todd, and I'm a fizzy, wizzy, tropey, mimi distillation of everything RTD's ever done for one hour for this one. 6 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.979 Well, it's New Year's Day 2007. 7 00:00:59.219 --> 00:01:01.500 Just over 25 years ago. 8 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:07.560 We watched the 1st episode of the 1st ever Doctor Who spinoff, a spinoff that never got a 2nd episode. 9 00:01:07.620 --> 00:01:14.760 But tonight, Sarah, Jane, and K9 are back in the 1st episode of the spinoff that Liz Slaton always deserved. 10 00:01:14.819 --> 00:01:20.099 Let's hear how she gets on in the Sarah Jane Adventures, Invasion of the Bane. 11 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:45.599 Now, just over two months ago, we had the first episode of Torchwood, and I have to say that this is terrifyingly similar to that. 12 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:52.739 Terrifyingly similar In what way? 13 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.959 So a lot of the story beats are the same. 14 00:01:55.019 --> 00:02:08.580 I mean, you start, you know, you get this outsider who is intrigued by something mysterious, who gets a taste of it very early on from a distance and then kind of reacts badly to it and flees. 15 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.740 And that's the same plot as Rose. 16 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.659 And Rose does that as well. 17 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:16.379 And you're saying Russell's just got a template. 18 00:02:16.379 --> 00:02:35.699 I think he does have a template. because then Maria becomes more involved with Sarah Jane, but at around about halfway through, she's told by Sarah Jane to go home and forget everything that she's seen, just like the doctor tells Rose to go home and forget. 19 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:40.139 And of course, because it's tortured Jack Spikes, Gwen's drink. 20 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:46.199 Yeah, so that. she'll forget. not essentially made to forget. that's right There's not much consent in short is there? 21 00:02:46.259 --> 00:02:47.340 Not really, no. 22 00:02:47.639 --> 00:03:01.259 And so what ends up happening is that after being rejected by the sort of crotchety main character or the grumpy and mysterious main character, the new the new girl. 23 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:02.460 Are we talking about Liz? 24 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:03.539 All 3 of them. 25 00:03:04.379 --> 00:03:13.560 The new goal finally sort of shows that she is helpful in some way, except for Gwen, who just watches India Obama shoot herself in the head. 26 00:03:13.620 --> 00:03:19.020 And then, you know, finally we sort of end up deciding to join forces. 27 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:35.939 And what we said last week was that this is sort of different from that sort of classical, you know, mono myth, you know, the Joseph Campbell mono myth where the person actually is chosen in some way from the beginning and then rejects that and is finally persuaded to kind of step up. 28 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:43.560 In fact, it's a person trying to get in and being constantly rebuffed and then finally accepted at the end. 29 00:03:43.620 --> 00:03:52.080 Do you think the church on Ruby Road is finally this story having the Joseph Campbell chosen one element to it. 30 00:03:52.139 --> 00:03:53.759 Maybe that's it. 31 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:55.080 Because it's the same story. 32 00:03:55.139 --> 00:03:56.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 33 00:03:56.400 --> 00:04:00.900 So, I mean, is it the same as an unearthly child? 34 00:04:01.020 --> 00:04:06.360 I think they're similar to beats because again, you have a female character investigating. 35 00:04:06.419 --> 00:04:09.780 She's got her support there, which happens to be Ian. 36 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:15.180 And in all these other ones, there's some sort of support for the main character, and this one, of course, it's Maria's parents. 37 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.160 Well, just the dad read. 38 00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:17.879 Well, yes. 39 00:04:17.939 --> 00:04:21.720 And and and I guess Kelsey is her confident. 40 00:04:21.779 --> 00:04:27.360 And then at some point you either meet the Tartar or the Torchwood hub, or in this case, Mr. Smith in the attic. 41 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.319 Yeah, yeah. you know, 3 quarters of the way through or whatever, two-thirds of the way it happens to be. 42 00:04:31.379 --> 00:04:37.259 So, yes, again, I think there is real similarities between all of these things. 43 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.220 Yeah. 44 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.040 It does start to feel like it's a boilerplate now. 45 00:04:41.100 --> 00:04:42.300 Yeah, yeah. 46 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.060 I mean, it works, doesn't it? 47 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.480 And have we gone for like decades without kind of making the link? 48 00:04:48.540 --> 00:04:49.620 You know what? 49 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:50.160 It works. 50 00:04:50.220 --> 00:05:01.439 I feel like it works better in the instances where the character that you meet is one you remember from many episodes as opposed to a handful of the 1st series. 51 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:03.060 Yeah, yeah. 52 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.399 I think, like, I forgot Maria was in it. 53 00:05:05.459 --> 00:05:06.480 I'm like, oh, that's right. 54 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:07.439 There was a different girl. 55 00:05:07.500 --> 00:05:08.579 Yeah, yeah. 56 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.519 And Kelsey, I'm like, oh, there was another different girl. 57 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:18.660 But I think you go along in that journey with Maria. 58 00:05:18.779 --> 00:05:38.759 I think she's actually, I think she's actually very good, you know, and the character itself I enjoy and her family and, you know, that whole setup with the family where you think that they're all moving in together for a moment and then it just sort of begins to turn slightly and you just kind of think, oh, maybe there's something not right here. 59 00:05:38.819 --> 00:05:44.699 You're already alerted to the fact because she's checking out the bum of the moving guy. 60 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.920 They all move, though, don't they? 61 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:51.480 It's not the power of the Daleks by Ian Levine or any of the other ones. 62 00:05:51.540 --> 00:05:58.319 And that family, I think, kind of works, but what ends up happening is that we get the chance to sort of try it again. 63 00:05:58.379 --> 00:05:59.160 Yeah. 64 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:04.860 And I should have had I been a little bit more devoted. 65 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:05.759 I would have watched. 66 00:06:05.819 --> 00:06:07.680 I think it's the beginning of series three. 67 00:06:07.740 --> 00:06:10.079 It's the 2nd story of series 3 where Rani moves in. 68 00:06:10.139 --> 00:06:11.220 Series two. 69 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:12.660 Is it really? 70 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:14.579 Maria's only in season one. 71 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.300 Plus the 1st 2 episodes of... 72 00:06:18.300 --> 00:06:18.540 Wow. 73 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:20.040 Because it's written out. 74 00:06:20.100 --> 00:06:20.519 Yeah. 75 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:20.819 Yeah. 76 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:22.139 I didn't realise it was... 77 00:06:22.139 --> 00:06:23.339 GCSEs in real life. 78 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.439 Like she was so not Coke. 79 00:06:25.500 --> 00:06:25.980 Yeah. 80 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:42.120 I just want to talk about, like, the fact that, you know, you are with Maria all the way, and I just feel like the Kelsey character didn't quite work. 81 00:06:42.180 --> 00:06:43.800 She certainly comes out of nowhere. 82 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:54.600 She seems to be a little bit older, like, you know, because she's quite sexual compared to Maria, and I think, um, like, because she's, she's after the muffin, like, like, a greased werewolf in a cake shop. 83 00:06:54.660 --> 00:06:57.899 Look like I said, do you like a muffin toe or do you like the muffin bottom? 84 00:06:58.019 --> 00:06:58.800 what I'll say there. 85 00:06:58.860 --> 00:07:01.379 But that is a glorious joke, eh? 86 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:02.220 That's fact. 87 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:02.879 Fantastic. 88 00:07:02.939 --> 00:07:04.560 I'll take the cherry as well. 89 00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:05.279 Thanks, Tom. 90 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:07.980 Help me. help me now. 91 00:07:08.579 --> 00:07:14.220 She's even interested in Maria's dad later on, she even finds him hot. 92 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.860 And at no point, Maria seems very uncomfortable with that. 93 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:30.839 I can see what they're trying to do, but it doesn't quite work and I think it's a combination of the character not quite working with the others as well as the performance, the actress, I think, being slightly like on a different level with everybody else. 94 00:07:30.899 --> 00:07:33.480 Like, that's that's how I felt when I was watching it. 95 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.160 She is 15. 96 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:37.079 And so is Maria. 97 00:07:37.139 --> 00:07:39.480 And you have Tommy Knight as well, who's 13. 98 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:52.620 And so you have 3 children in the main cast, and that's incredibly difficult to manage because there's all sorts of rules governing how long children can work for. 99 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:59.279 It's really clear why when they replace Maria and Kelsey, they replace them with adults. 100 00:07:59.339 --> 00:08:06.480 So Daniel Anthony, who is in the next episode, is 19 and obviously Angeli Mahindra is an adult as well. 101 00:08:06.540 --> 00:08:09.420 So they're replaced by adults playing it young. 102 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:14.879 I think they both, and particularly Maria, just seems like genuinely like a proper 15 year old. 103 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.639 What I think Kelsey does. 104 00:08:17.699 --> 00:08:21.180 And what I think she does well is she punctures all of the crap. 105 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:32.340 So there is a big amount of standing around talking in the attic after a long scene of standing around talking in Miss Wormwood's office. 106 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:37.139 And in each case she's there to puncture it and to kind of make it funny. 107 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.480 I think she does a pretty good job of that. 108 00:08:39.539 --> 00:08:41.639 It was better when Donna was that character. 109 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:42.299 Well, yes. 110 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:46.080 Just go, oh, this is trying to do Catherine Tate before Catherine Tate. 111 00:08:46.139 --> 00:08:47.460 But that might be true. 112 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:49.379 But coming back to this. 113 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:57.779 I did find her much funnier and certainly when she sang, oh, like, I don't scream and next thing you know, on 3 occasions, she... 114 00:08:57.779 --> 00:08:59.159 Her screaming is great. 115 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:00.480 She's so good. 116 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:04.799 She was in stars in their eyes for kids. 117 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:09.659 Oh, at the age of 10, like 5 years before this. 118 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.360 So she had been seen on telly before. 119 00:09:12.419 --> 00:09:16.740 And she is one hell of a superb screamer. 120 00:09:16.860 --> 00:09:17.580 She's really great. 121 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:19.740 She's Bonnie Langford level, I reckon. 122 00:09:20.220 --> 00:09:21.899 I was surprised. 123 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:23.279 It was very funny. 124 00:09:23.340 --> 00:09:28.139 Yeah, and maybe that's a throwback to Liz's time on the show as well. tended to hold it back. 125 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:39.899 I thought Todd was going to talk about the Kelsey character as being the only non-middle class one, and I was wanting to ask what you all thought, seeing this again after what appears to be so long, where is our youth? 126 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.059 We weren't even bloody young. 127 00:09:42.419 --> 00:09:43.559 I'm not. 128 00:09:43.620 --> 00:09:45.059 Stop that. cut that out. 129 00:09:45.419 --> 00:09:53.639 She's the working class aggressive one that every middle class person because this is really BBC for kids stuff, but, I mean, it is. 130 00:09:53.700 --> 00:10:06.120 But he always puts these characters in that are playground aggressors that are actually the ones that probably baulked the fans in the playground in ways that are not comfortable and there's the T word. 131 00:10:06.179 --> 00:10:07.860 She's a triggering character. 132 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:18.600 But then he humanises them, or at least he brings us all to a level where we can have sympathy for difference, and that's Russell's great skill, and he just does it all the time. 133 00:10:18.659 --> 00:10:29.039 He's even doing it, allowing Liz to stand on a glacier, like the last act of the Rhine Gold, with a bloody sceptre and the horny hat, thinking, I hate kids. 134 00:10:29.340 --> 00:10:32.519 And you still get it all to kind of mesh. 135 00:10:32.580 --> 00:10:33.000 You don't. 136 00:10:33.059 --> 00:10:34.740 You can still see she hates the kids. 137 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:36.360 But I just think it's interesting. 138 00:10:36.419 --> 00:10:43.740 Kelsey's not even there at the end when they're with Luke and Maria and Sarah in the garden. 139 00:10:43.860 --> 00:10:58.740 Like, so to me, even watching this back, I just felt that she was this other character, comic relief character, like who wasn't quite, even with her reactions to what was going on in the attic, she wasn't quite part of that core group. 140 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:02.100 And I think they get it really quite right with Clyde next episode. 141 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:07.799 He's got a little bit more of the working class, but not too much in there. 142 00:11:07.860 --> 00:11:11.100 So he's a bit more sort of closer to them. 143 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:22.080 And I think having a male character to bond with Luke really works, whereas here Maria doesn't, I think, really need Kelsey. 144 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:22.860 That's right. 145 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:27.779 I feel like there's also, because given they've given Kelsey all of this stuff to do with the muffin. 146 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:41.639 Yeah. that there's an instant level of sexual tension between her and Luke that is, it's like, oh, well, we would have to go there now because she's obviously voracious in her appetite. 147 00:11:41.700 --> 00:11:44.879 And they're like, oh, he doesn't even have a belly button. 148 00:11:44.940 --> 00:11:49.799 Let's not even invite this conversation and bring in a male friend for him. 149 00:11:49.860 --> 00:11:53.279 Like, I feel like there was at some point someone's gone. 150 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:56.399 Yeah, we've probably gone a bit far with her being into guys. 151 00:11:56.460 --> 00:12:04.320 I think I think that the reason that they give is that they thought that the gender balance was wrong. 152 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:11.279 And I do think that Tommy needed a mentor, like Tommy's character, Luke needs a mentor. 153 00:12:11.340 --> 00:12:15.179 I think more than Maria needs a friend who isn't that interested in her. 154 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.879 Well, Maria's mental is Liz. 155 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:18.960 Yes, Henry Jane. 156 00:12:19.019 --> 00:12:20.460 Yeah, you know, not her mother. 157 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.759 And I think the comedy character that we have then is Chrissy. 158 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:30.419 And I seem to remember that when it was announced that Billy Piper was leaving the parent program. 159 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:34.860 Obviously, the thing that I was devastated about was Camil Kajuri leaving. 160 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.879 And, you know, Billy's great, but Camille. 161 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:47.340 And here, when I heard that Maria was leaving, I was really, really sorry that we would lose Chrissy because I think she's absolutely brilliant. 162 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:49.379 She's awful and amazing all that. 163 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:50.879 I will agree with you. 164 00:12:50.940 --> 00:13:01.500 Like, I didn't really actually like her very much in this, but I know having watched the series that I loved all her comic relief moments throughout and certainly in her last episode with Santara, and she's fantastic. 165 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:16.019 But also Alan's the other one where he just grows and grows as a character and I really feel like in another world, if this had been done 10 years earlier, they would have tried to make him a love interest for Sarah Jane. 166 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.480 I just kind of think that's the feeling I get. 167 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.899 So I think I was quite devastated that we were going to be losing him. 168 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.720 He's pretty as well I mean, Kelsey. 169 00:13:24.779 --> 00:13:25.860 Kelsey is right. 170 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.399 She's correct. 171 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:32.100 I don't know about the muffin. 172 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:36.419 The muffin looks like, you know, from, from, from, period, isn't it? 173 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:42.360 So 2016, with those degrade boy bands, I'm making Bad Boys Inc. here. 174 00:13:42.419 --> 00:13:52.679 And if you know who they are, you really know your boy bands, but with awful, like, sort of longish hair and then, you know, when we had those little flares in the in the jeans and stuff. 175 00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:54.720 I think I talked about this in the torch, whatever. 176 00:13:54.779 --> 00:13:57.840 I thought Owen was wearing it. very much a similar sort of thing. 177 00:13:57.899 --> 00:14:04.980 But, you know, what the hey, he's there for a purpose and ultimately, you know, Mrs. Wormwood says, bye. 178 00:14:05.100 --> 00:14:12.299 I actually think he's really terrific and there's that one moment where he's in the car dropping Kelsey off in Bannerman Road. 179 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.620 And she says, oh, you know, I don't have to get home till 6. 180 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:18.000 Why don't we go and have a burger? 181 00:14:18.059 --> 00:14:20.039 And he just very quietly says, get out. 182 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:22.500 It's so good. 183 00:14:22.860 --> 00:14:27.960 It's a great show survive on their supporting cast. 184 00:14:28.019 --> 00:14:33.000 And so having like the 2nd villain or, you know, the henchman. 185 00:14:33.059 --> 00:14:39.480 He's good and then Leslie, the secretary, like she's going to off Sarah Jane in the left. 186 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:40.860 You know, she's great. 187 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:43.500 But of course, it all comes back to the main villain. 188 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.759 Oh, who Samantha Bond, as Mrs. Wormwood, is just fantastic. 189 00:14:47.820 --> 00:14:52.740 I mean, she is like a classic Doctor Who villain, like Harrison Chase or. 190 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:53.759 I don't know who else. 191 00:14:53.820 --> 00:15:01.620 I genuinely think the reason that she can't understand a word Kelsey is saying, you know, she doesn't know. middle class. 192 00:15:02.340 --> 00:15:04.620 She's in the Downtonapping. 193 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:09.600 No, because she's from a TV show in the 1970s, I think. 194 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:10.379 What is this? 195 00:15:10.379 --> 00:15:11.759 Jeremy Kyle. 196 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:13.019 Who is that? 197 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:24.600 You know, the only thing I found frustrating is that because it's children's television, because it's done on a tight budget, I know, because I'm working in children's television at the moment and how's that? 198 00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:27.960 Apparently when you have small people, you need less money. 199 00:15:28.019 --> 00:15:28.559 It's not true. 200 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.240 I have smaller feet and take longer to get everywhere. 201 00:15:33.299 --> 00:15:45.539 It's true But the moment when Samantha Bond does her big Mrs. Wormwood speech, the camera has a massive wobble and it's like, oh, we can't shoot it again. 202 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:49.500 Do you mean the food speech? 203 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:51.899 Yeah, they're like closing in on her? 204 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.379 Like the camera's coming in tight and then it's like, oh, run over a cat. 205 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:56.879 Keep going. 206 00:15:56.940 --> 00:16:02.340 And it's just, I, I, this is something I'm going to say. did not enjoy the direction of this episode at all. 207 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.779 Lots of Dutch angles, lots of... 208 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:11.700 So this is directed by Colin Teague, who did the sound of drums and last of the time. 209 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.600 And I think there's moments in that that I have got problems with. 210 00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:17.220 But he did Pompeii, which I really like. 211 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.320 So, you know, and he did full torchwood. 212 00:16:19.379 --> 00:16:22.559 So he's, you know, not a statue, but I can see where you're coming from that time. 213 00:16:22.620 --> 00:16:24.600 That bubble shock ad. 214 00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:26.279 Like that just drove me nuts. 215 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:31.019 Do you know, I actually thought, and maybe I'm just stupid. 216 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:37.620 But one of the things that TV shows are very bad at doing is inset TV shows or like ads on telly. 217 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:38.940 Like they always look crappy. 218 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:42.779 Like they never look like telly. and you kind of go, you guys are making telly. 219 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.320 How do you not make the telly on telly look convincing? 220 00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:51.539 I actually thought that the bubble shock ad was surprisingly kind of, you know, it's fast moving. 221 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:52.799 It has skateboarders. 222 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:54.179 It has people who aren't speaking. 223 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:55.860 There seem to be a lot of people in it. 224 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.679 And I thought that I did a reasonable job. 225 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:01.799 I was frustrated with the graphic design. 226 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:03.840 Yes, it is upsettingly bad. 227 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:04.799 Really? 228 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:18.539 Like, because I read a lot of comic books and that's like a basic comic book font that they've used for the typeface and it's just like, oh, it just looks like someone has tripped over something and fallen into a cupboard and there's a big sound effect going on. 229 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:19.559 Bubble shop. 230 00:17:19.619 --> 00:17:25.740 I don't think they wanted to terrify nice BBC viewers with actual tagging. 231 00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:30.059 It was very homogenised tagging. 232 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:35.039 But, you know, there is some attempt to have some kind of sort of unity to all of the stuff. 233 00:17:35.099 --> 00:17:37.680 Like, I think the bus, like, they paid the bus. hilarious. 234 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:38.700 The bus is really great. 235 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:44.039 Like, you do talk about the fact that there is a budget to this, but they've got the bus. 236 00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:48.119 They have that big explosion at the end, the bus go through the location is pretty great. 237 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.660 I so missed Robert Helpman in this one, didn't you? 238 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:57.240 You've got, you know, whatever they, they needed to make Mr. Smith and his fanfare. 239 00:17:57.299 --> 00:18:00.059 Oh yeah, but that's Amelia rated through the... 240 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:00.539 Yeah, yeah. 241 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:02.519 Like, that's a big spend you do at the start. 242 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:05.460 Yeah, I know, I know, but what I'm saying. 243 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:07.019 It looks it looks amazing. 244 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.839 There are there is a lot of stuff that looks great. 245 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:13.740 But some of that CGI with the... 246 00:18:13.740 --> 00:18:14.880 Is it the bang? 247 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:15.480 The bang. 248 00:18:15.539 --> 00:18:17.880 It does look fantastic. 249 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.099 Some of that was... 250 00:18:20.099 --> 00:18:22.200 There's one outside... 251 00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:26.819 It's the one outside Sarah Jane's place or someone there looks really broken. 252 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:27.299 Oh, no. 253 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:28.200 That's the bit that I like. 254 00:18:28.259 --> 00:18:38.940 The bit where the muffin turns into the CG squid and then starts chasing, like is in the on the roof, like of her hallway and then climbs up the stairs and stuff. 255 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.299 And the way that it's smashing on the door with its tentacles and things. 256 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.579 I just think that is so fantastic. 257 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:49.140 I would have loved that as a kid and I don't think it needs to be better. 258 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:50.220 Like even watching it now. 259 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:52.319 SD. 260 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:53.160 I think it's wonderful. 261 00:18:53.220 --> 00:19:03.299 What it looks like, what it looks like is the picture of the nestings on the cover of the Terror of the Autons novelisation. 262 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:04.799 Yeah, so it's for kids. 263 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:05.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 264 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:06.839 I think it's wonderful. 265 00:19:06.900 --> 00:19:12.180 And I love how kind of it has a sort of blabby fleshy sort of feel to it. 266 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:14.039 It feels like there's gravity. 267 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.480 It feels rubbery. 268 00:19:15.539 --> 00:19:16.259 Yeah, yeah. 269 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:17.579 It feels probably rubbery. 270 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.019 I think it's sold wonderfully. 271 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:27.299 I mean, the thing in the roof, like there's nothing cheaper than just doing a special effect on the roof because you key out a square, you know, no one's standing in front of it. 272 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:31.259 And so we had that with the Jagrafess, you know, in series one. 273 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:35.099 We had it with the scanner in the TARDIS in the TV movie. 274 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:36.420 It something that it's very cheap to do. 275 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.839 And so you know, the Bane mother is a bit crappy, I think. 276 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:51.720 There's, you know, there's a weird moment where I feel like Colin Teague has told Samantha Bond, oh, you're going to be using magic powers to lift this big pole and throw it and she does all these arm movements. 277 00:19:51.779 --> 00:19:54.059 But then there's a CGI tentacle lifting it. 278 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.099 So I'm like, are you conducting? 279 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:57.539 That's what I thought it was. 280 00:19:57.599 --> 00:19:59.339 I thought, mum, mum, do this. 281 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:00.599 Throw the thing. 282 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.920 It honestly looked like she thought she had powers and she was doing this. 283 00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:09.299 I think she just picked up a lot of camp working with Dalton all day. 284 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:13.740 I just thought it was, yeah, I just thought it was part of her camp performance. 285 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:19.559 She's so camping. going up against Liz Slater, you know, a star of the 1970s. 286 00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:23.579 That very 1st scene with them in the office is electrifying. 287 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:25.799 It's worth an hour of that. 288 00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:31.079 Yeah, yeah In my head, it went for an hour. because I just watched it over and over. again. 289 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:32.220 No, it's perfect. 290 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:41.579 And again, that's the thing about this terribly thin script and I was listening to you all thinking, what's the difference really between this and something we watched as kids called Doctor Who that we loved? 291 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:43.140 This is more childlike. 292 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:48.059 I'd say childish than any of the Doctor Who's we had, even back then. 293 00:20:48.119 --> 00:21:17.460 This is so I have long held this theory that when there is a kid's version of the show, the adult version can be more adult, which happened in the 70s when Blake 7 turned up, Tom Baker got a robot dog and it became a really kidsy half hour show because there was an hour of more adult, albeit quite bonkers, science fiction going on every week at the BBC. 294 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:24.180 And this is the same when this turns up, the main show becomes grittier, it has more adult storylines. 295 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.220 Plus, we also with Sarah Jane. 296 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:27.779 We got the cliffhangers back everywhere. 297 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:29.099 Yeah, so good. 298 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:33.660 This is why this is the best spinoff, in my opinion. by far. 299 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.019 Having those cliffhangers, you do get that whole Doctor Who feel. 300 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:43.740 And I do think you get a lot of classic kind of Doctor Who villains to go up against the central character. 301 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.240 Get the brigadier. 302 00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:48.299 And you bring in the history of the show gradually. 303 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:56.579 And I think every season they just get stronger and stronger in terms of performances and where they're prepared to go with the characters as those teen characters get a bit older. 304 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:02.759 And also to the Sarah Jane character lets her guard down and grows herself. 305 00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:12.720 And I think if you watch the whole thing through, it's a shame that we didn't get the whole of that last season to really see where they, but they were already going there anyway. 306 00:22:12.779 --> 00:22:18.839 You know, I think torchwoods all up and down and over the place and I think there's some great episodes and there's some stuff that's not great. 307 00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:21.059 Class is like whatever that was. 308 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.779 But for me, this is the best spinoff. 309 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:58.019 We said last week that Torchwood has a sort of pretty grim sort of mission statement, which is where Susie, just before shooting herself in the head, complains that all of the aliens that we get here on Earth are terrible and we get the terrible aliens and maybe out there in the parent show, they're a wonders and marvels beyond compare and things can be exciting and uplifting and positive, but everything is just terrible here. 310 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:04.740 And maybe giving that brief to Chris Chibnell is probably the wrong call as well. 311 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.019 But even dark suddenly. 312 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.559 But even in Russell's hands that's a bit unpleasant. 313 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:14.759 Here, I think we've absolutely just said, no, this is going to be fun. 314 00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:19.259 And so you have Samantha Bond and superb. 315 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.980 Like, the classic series doesn't have as many female villains as we think. 316 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.299 Not really many at all. 317 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:27.240 And I think she is absolutely up there. 318 00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:29.160 She's Vivian Faye. 319 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:31.380 You know, she's yeah, she's Miss Winters. 320 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:32.099 She is. 321 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:50.819 That speech, you know the speech about food that Russell's fear of food speech, which will turn up in the next episode of Doctor Who, Smith and Jones, and Anne Reid will get to talk about all those rich sauces and wines and things. 322 00:23:50.880 --> 00:24:06.900 And the master will do it, you know, after that a couple of years later when he's eating the turkey, you know, like Russell's just as a kind of gay man whose body conscious, all of his weird fat stuff, which we imagine he's not going to be doing now that he's back. 323 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.339 But all of that, just horror of food. 324 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:18.420 And just the way she delivers it with that crisp English accent with every consonant, just like cut glass. 325 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.279 She's incredible, just incredible. 326 00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:21.839 Oh my god. 327 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:35.819 It's weird you bring up the food thing because that scene made me think of how dated the show is not because of the muffin's hair, but when when Sarah Jane goes, oh, and you just got right through the EU. 328 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.740 And I'm like, oh, yeah, that wouldn't be a problem anymore. 329 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:38.940 Yeah. 330 00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:43.140 Even at the beginning, when Chrissy asked for a check. 331 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.599 Like, I'm just going, what's a check? 332 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.539 Also in a kid's show. 333 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:54.059 Like, again, like, constantly having discussions at work, like, would kids know what this is? 334 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.119 Because their cultural knowledge is 5 years ago. 335 00:24:57.539 --> 00:25:09.960 But I think that's okay because I think back in Classic Doctor Who, when we were kids, we were exposed to things and concepts and ideas that we weren't necessarily, um, weren't necessarily in our world. 336 00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:22.079 Like, you know, if you look at the John Pertry stuff with like the female prime minister and the ecological stuff, like, that was all, like when we were watching it, well, when I was watching it anyway, like in the 80s. 337 00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:31.200 It's like that made sense, but you know, 5 years earlier or 6 years, 7 years earlier, it was not necessarily in the mind of everybody. 338 00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:37.200 So having those things in there, I think is good to educate without educating, like, you know, what does that mean? 339 00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:41.099 Like somebody might start thinking, what is that, you know, and look it up and learn something. 340 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:50.700 Yeah, I think quite frequently, I'll remember that there's a word that I heard for the 1st time in a Doctor Who story. there must be dozens and dozens of those, I think. 341 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:52.140 Serendipity. 342 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.539 Very true. 343 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:59.160 I'm liking the structure and what we're talking about and the things that we zone in on. 344 00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:01.799 And I think, and it's that scene between the two. 345 00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:09.599 Obviously, we're here for Liz and, I mean, I know Todd and I just hearts burst when we heard this was coming out, and I wasn't disappointed at all. 346 00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:12.420 Because she's such an ice queen. 347 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:14.700 And that's all I ever wanted from her. 348 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:20.579 And it was that early, if you know those 1st 3 stories with Pertley and the Brigadier when she really lets them know. 349 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.740 It was a bit of that back. 350 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:30.660 But we also grew up with Maggie Smith before she was the goddess of TV in films like Pride of Miss Jean Brody. 351 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.759 Thank you, Bill Collins. had to read that at school. 352 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.960 Muriel Spark is, you know, she was a Bletchley code broker. 353 00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:37.619 Really? 354 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:38.880 Yeah, hated women. 355 00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:41.339 There's a whole generation. 356 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.299 Iris Murdoch? 357 00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:43.380 No, seriously. 358 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.180 She actually really does. 359 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.960 Memento Mori is my pick of the week if anyone wants to read Mural Spuck. 360 00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:59.519 But anyway, my point is, we grew up with these Eve Arden characters, if you remember, she's the headmistress in Greece and she was, but all these women that are actually doing films in the 50s. already old by the 60s. 361 00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:04.380 But it wasn't for Russell, because Doctor Who's now being made by gay men of a certain age. 362 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:09.359 So everything here is a little trope, ting, of something that we loved and grew up with. 363 00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:13.019 And I think this is made for children, but it is also made for gays of a certain age. 364 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.160 And how often those 2 Mr. Disney, Mr. Eisner, how often those 2 things go together? 365 00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:18.900 It's familiar to us. 366 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.400 And it's wanted to ask you. 367 00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:22.079 I wonder how kids feel about it. 368 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:31.200 But then Disney co-opted that anyway and turned all of those 40s archetypes into just, you know, things he does. 369 00:27:31.259 --> 00:27:32.220 Well, but divine, yeah. 370 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.140 That's that shtick. 371 00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:38.339 But it's quite sticky and it feels like a, it feels like a 60s. 372 00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:41.819 I think that Russell has always identified. 373 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.319 He was always the companion. 374 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:44.460 Yes, don't you think? 375 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.619 I mean, I was always the companion. 376 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:46.980 Totally. 377 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:47.640 I never would. 378 00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:48.359 He always talked to her. 379 00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:49.440 I want to be a companion. 380 00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:52.559 Yeah, he was always the one. new stuff and it's like, well, I didn't know anything. 381 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.819 Rosser was always the 1st one to cry out, what are all these knobs for? 382 00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:59.339 I've never seen so many. 383 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.859 I mean, there's a reason she's called Rose. 384 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.940 Do you know what I mean? 385 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:08.759 Like, he names her after him in the 1st Doctor Who annual of 2005. 386 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.519 He gives Rose his birthday. 387 00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:12.359 Yeah. 388 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.680 So, his safe word, Rose. 389 00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:19.200 So is Maria named after Gareth Roberts? 390 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.700 Who's the other writer at this episode? 391 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.440 I was wondering when we were going to get to. 392 00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:24.059 What's his contribution here? 393 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:25.559 Like, did he have the 1st pass of it? 394 00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:26.400 Do you know the history? 395 00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:27.660 I don't I don't. 396 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:34.859 I think that you can detect, like, I don't want to talk about Gareth Roberts very much because he's obviously awful. 397 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:50.339 But there is a conservatism that he has, I think, and some of its aesthetic, you know, he's not a terrible choice to write something that he's kind of retro in its approach because this isn't just 70s Doctor Who. 398 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:57.420 It's also chocky and, you know, those things that we watch as a kid, children of the stars. of the stones. 399 00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.859 I have to go home in the dark. 400 00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:03.900 So it's all of those things, isn't it? 401 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:09.119 With the cliffhangers, you know, with bigger budgets and they needed to have the half hour thing. 402 00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:11.099 And so he's the right person to do that. 403 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:28.859 But I do think that some of the, that the fact that it's a drink, that kids like it's associated with the way kids talk, you've got Kelsey there kind of exemplifying that and being described by Mrs. Wormwood as full of sort of noise and ignorance and stuff. 404 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:39.480 You know, there's there's a kind of conservatism and a kind of suspicion of young people's culture which seems surprising coming from Russell. 405 00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:50.220 You know, all of the good people drink tea and the big betrayal at the end is when Maria discovers that her father's been secretly drinking bubble shock. 406 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:51.420 You know? 407 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.000 So, so there's that. 408 00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:59.099 I think that maybe that's Roberts's conservatism sort of appearing. 409 00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:04.259 Because he kind of sidelined a bit more in favour of Phil Ford, who did a lot more riding on the show. 410 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:09.839 Well, I think Phil came to the four, so to speak, and just got the show immediately. 411 00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:16.920 Yeah, and really sort of then took over as the person directing where things were going into young adulthood for a lot of these characters. 412 00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:17.519 Yeah. 413 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.460 So is Russell responsible for the line? 414 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.259 She worships Holly Oaks? 415 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.599 Like, the holy oak, the holy oak. 416 00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:24.839 Sorry. 417 00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:26.700 I loved that made me laugh so much. 418 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.559 I did think that was quite clever. 419 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.359 Oh, it is, he was like, is obviously like the Sonic lipstick. 420 00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:35.160 Sonic lipstick is too much. 421 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:41.940 I thought it was a really nasty joke on K9 and the bits that we never saw. 422 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:42.480 No, no. 423 00:30:42.539 --> 00:30:45.900 Well, canine sonic lipstick. 424 00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:48.960 I'm very sorry, but... 425 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:54.720 He does feel a little denuded in this story, doesn't he? 426 00:30:54.779 --> 00:31:00.240 Well, I mean, canine's in this, but obviously they were filming the new K9 series. 427 00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:02.640 Is that why did the rights to it? 428 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:10.079 I thought Scott Russell hated the idea of having to just all that time that they took to shoot around that damn dog. 429 00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:10.559 What did you say? 430 00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:14.759 I'm sure it's because Elizabeth Slayton went, I am not getting down on my knees at this age. 431 00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.539 I'm six. 432 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:16.140 Not again. 433 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:21.660 Look, she's got the glamorous hair, those wonderful boots, you know. 434 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:22.559 She looks great. 435 00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:23.519 We haven't even talked about it. 436 00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.079 What's she wearing? 437 00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:30.960 The stripe top is from spiders or from something, like the stripe top that she wears, is white from her time on the show. 438 00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.579 They're cute little nods. 439 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.779 The card is very, yeah. 440 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.720 But the boots and the things are Tom, aren't they? 441 00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:39.119 Like, I mean, she's just dressed as the fall doctor. 442 00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:41.880 And it gets more so when she starts to bring you in the frock coats. 443 00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:42.420 Yeah, yeah. 444 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:43.799 You've got all the dollies? 445 00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:45.960 Many topics. 446 00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:49.500 They don't bend over and look at the dog eating. 447 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.539 Not for love nor money. 448 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:59.039 But I think it's a really clever writing and giving her a female villain to go up against. 449 00:31:59.099 --> 00:31:59.940 Yeah. 450 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:00.900 That's brilliant. 451 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.359 And the calibre of Samantha, because it brings Liz's A game to the fore. 452 00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:10.500 Not that she would never bring it to the fore, but it just shows you what a good actress she is. 453 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:16.859 She doesn't have to try with the kids, but then you bring in a professional and it's like, all right, okay. 454 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.539 I'm going to go toe to toe here and you can say, yes, she is this central character, like the doctor. 455 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.519 It's funny, isn't it? 456 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.619 Because one of the things that's different about this is that, one, it's longer. 457 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.759 It's not a normal episode. 458 00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:31.200 It's a full hour. 459 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:31.859 It's a full hour. 460 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.720 It's longer than a Doctor Who episode. 461 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:34.200 That's right. 462 00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:36.839 So it's longer than rows and longer than everything changes. 463 00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:43.920 So it has more time to do things and I think it spends some of that time on an arc for Sarah. 464 00:32:43.980 --> 00:32:52.500 And it's, in a sense, that arc isn't really properly necessary because we saw school reunion. 465 00:32:52.559 --> 00:33:01.980 And so I think it's slightly disappointing that we come back to a Sarah who seems so gruff and she, she's just sort of plain being busy. 466 00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:06.180 It's just the Nissan in 1st gig. 467 00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:08.700 I guess the thing is this. 468 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:18.779 Like, you know, when she left the show, and then came back from various things in the 1980s, in my head, I always had a vision of where Sarah would be. 469 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:28.559 And when she came back in school reunion, that was not the vision that I had for, like I thought she'd be successful, she would move on with her life and she would have kids, right? 470 00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:29.819 That's what I thought anyway. 471 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:37.259 Still being an investigative journalist, et cetera, and being very successful in having a happy life, which, of course, is not quite what was presented. 472 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:43.799 So I think a lot of that sort of angst about that and not being happy with it. 473 00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:47.579 I sort of dealt with school reunion when coming into here. 474 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:48.359 But you're quite right. 475 00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:54.000 She's quite standoffish to begin with and gruff with people and you kind of think, was that really what she was like in the show? 476 00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:54.599 I don't know. 477 00:33:54.660 --> 00:34:10.800 I do like we do get her, actually her, for the 1st time, where she kind of refuses to engage with Alan, and Alan makes some sort of snarky comment, and then she just smiles quite genuinely, and it's Sarah Jane, and she's back. 478 00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:16.500 You know, that's how we remember her and she smiles and is sort of terribly charming and stuff. 479 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:26.880 It's almost like there's an unwritten scene or it's there's a subtext of her still being upset that the doctor's moved on and she's been left to carry the can. 480 00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:32.280 It's almost like this whole story as her coming to terms with, oh, I can do this myself. 481 00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:34.559 I don't need to be carted around the galaxy. 482 00:34:34.619 --> 00:34:38.400 But it's also the decision to do it with other people as well. 483 00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:44.460 That thing at the end where she says I thought I could do this by myself, but I realised today, that I don't want to. 484 00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.320 And that's not tragic. 485 00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:49.079 Like when she delivers it, she's not being tragic about it. 486 00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:52.559 She's genuinely happy that she has someone to be with. 487 00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:59.820 And even the rejection of Luke at the beginning because she's just met this kid, you know, no, you're not... 488 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.219 How do you peel him? 489 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.219 You can't get your fingernails into the groove. 490 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.099 I wanted to ask you all please, since we've got so much to say. 491 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:09.539 Who is the mysterious man? 492 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.980 I think it's Philip Hinchcliffe. 493 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.719 Who is who? 494 00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:13.500 Who left her? 495 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:18.599 There was one man of whom I had desires, but he has gone, gone, gone for dust. 496 00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:19.980 I think it's Philippines. 497 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:20.639 Yeah, almost. 498 00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:21.480 The pink socks. 499 00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:24.780 Or just little Nigel Haver's look he was always doing with them. 500 00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:26.099 Oh, funny you should say that. 501 00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.300 Yes. 502 00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:28.739 I wonder where that's going to go. 503 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:29.880 Who do you think that is? 504 00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:30.780 Harry is it? 505 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.340 I thought it was meant to be the doctor. 506 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:33.000 Nay. 507 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.679 Yeah, the doctor. banged around with Tom long enough to, you know, no. 508 00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:39.059 No, it's the doctor. 509 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:39.659 It's the doctor. 510 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.780 There's a terrible tombstone teeth and halitosis. 511 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.619 I don't believe. 512 00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:13.500 Something, I remember Russell T. Davis talking about his original pitch for Doctor Who, when he tried to stealthily bring it in, is this show essentially that, where he wanted to have Judy Dench living in a house at the end of a street and the kids find out eventually that it's the doctor? 513 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:18.539 Like, that was how he was going to reboot Doctor Who without telling anyone that he was doing? 514 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.519 Like for kids TV? 515 00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:21.780 What was it going to have? 516 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.860 It wouldn't have a title sequence. 517 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.940 It was going to be called Torchwood. 518 00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:33.239 Oh, no, it was going to be called whatever, you know, it was going to be called, but it was going to be these kids who meet this strange woman who lives in a house and that woman turns out to be the doctor. generated doctor. 519 00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:34.679 And as a lady doctor. 520 00:36:34.739 --> 00:36:36.480 His idea was that it was Judy Dench. 521 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.280 Like, playing the doctor. 522 00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:44.519 Like, but then you maybe never mention it's the doctor until the BBC go, oh, all right, it can be Doctor Who at some point. 523 00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:48.119 This feels like the same structure, the same setup. 524 00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:50.760 Like the mysterious woman lives in the weird house. 525 00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:56.940 The kids all come over to visit and get caught up in strange adventures and I'm like, you did actually go make that show in the end. 526 00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:59.460 I mean, but even Doctor Who? 527 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.300 Like, the doctor is that. 528 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:00.960 Isn't it? 529 00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:04.559 The doctor's just some weird person who gets them into scrapes, you know. 530 00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:24.599 But I love when they get into the attic and you see the pictures of the past, like the brigadier and Harry, and she talks about meeting the man called the doctor and there's a warmth and there's, and then we get the canine cameo through that, um, safe, inexplicably, inexplicable safe that goes to a black hole in some other galaxy, which... 531 00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:25.440 No, it's in Sweden. 532 00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:27.420 No, no, Switzerland, isn't it? 533 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:28.679 Does it CERN? 534 00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:30.960 They must have heard from their legal department. 535 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.820 Actually, no, not CERN crossed that out. 536 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:47.519 I mean, my question is like, you know, the people who lived in the house before Maria and Alan, did they see like Maria and see those lights over there and they went over and were just totally freaked out and had to... 537 00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:47.880 Yeah, yeah. 538 00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:49.199 Kelsey said that they bailed it. 539 00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:51.300 They went mad and we're talking about aliens and stuff. 540 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:52.320 It was really great. 541 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:55.739 And, you know, that could have well happened to her. 542 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:56.820 We may never know. 543 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.320 Yeah. 544 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:09.719 You know, there's, like, I did some stupid research and discovered that Gary Russell put out a story that has almost become canon, that Maria and Luke bricked Kelsey up in one of the rooms. 545 00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:15.420 And whenever Sarah Jane asks where she is, they go, oh, no, she's just at the shop. 546 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.420 Shell be back soon. fabulous. 547 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.760 It's more Virginia Andrews with everything. 548 00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:22.380 That dynamic. 549 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.059 It lands, doesn't it? 550 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:24.539 It works. 551 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.599 Yeah, you go, oh, yeah, I believe that's where Kelsey went. 552 00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:33.239 Actually, Mr. Smith's got so many folding angles, I wouldn't. 553 00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:35.099 I kind of love Mr Smith. 554 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:35.820 Do you? 555 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:40.079 I felt just disappointed that he's kind of like Russell's new take on the memory TARDIS. 556 00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:41.460 It's not this and it's not that. 557 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.539 Yeah, but I love it. 558 00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:50.039 You know what I love about it is because, you know, I love kids TV and I love the repetition. 559 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:54.300 Like, my favourite thing was watching Thunderbird 2 take 14 hours. 560 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:55.619 Yeah, yeah. 561 00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:08.219 Like, I went to weather in Wellington and I was allowed to operate the lever that makes the trees fold flat. onto a Thunderman 2 to come down. 562 00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.179 They were broom handles. 563 00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:11.639 They were broom handles at the slower stake. 564 00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:12.420 Yeah, yeah. 565 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.659 But yeah, like, you know, you love that repetition as a kid. 566 00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:22.019 You love when in Battle of the Planets, it would take them 14 hours to turn into their various superhero forms. 567 00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:31.079 And Mr. Smith is that, it's like, 0 my god, it's now another 6 minutes of fanfare and smoke coming out. which they eventually made jokes about. 568 00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:31.860 Fabulous. 569 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.260 They only make jokes about it in Doctor Who. 570 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.539 Not in Sarah Jane Adventures. 571 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:37.380 Yeah, yeah. 572 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:38.880 Because like kids love that. 573 00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:50.699 Like, that's, you know, I work on a quiz show and kids love the deranged repetition of the host saying the same thing at the same time every single moment and it's kids love it. 574 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:51.420 Like Labradors. 575 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.559 It reminds me of Maya in Space 99. 576 00:39:55.980 --> 00:40:01.440 Just the whole, like, the look to the camera with the, you know, inner eye and that suddenly she... 577 00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:03.599 And it worked or ISIS when she puts it. 578 00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:04.679 Oh, almighty Isis. 579 00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:07.019 Who used to fly from a camera move? 580 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.980 Camera pan down. 581 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:23.519 Don't show her in the sky So we do find out his backstory later, and I do think it is a stroke of genius to call him Mr. Smith and just refuse to explain that. think that's wonderful. 582 00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:25.320 Well, you know, Sarah Jane Smith. 583 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:26.400 Of course she's got a Mr. Smith. 584 00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.320 Is it her dad? 585 00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:29.940 Bricked up? 586 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.099 With Kelsey, yeah. 587 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.039 Borners in that attic. 588 00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:38.579 I mean, how does she afford that house in the middle of London? 589 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:41.280 Like, that is expensive. 590 00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:42.179 No, she's a boomer. 591 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.380 Aunt Lavinia was a pretty boomer. 592 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.559 And also, yeah, of course, any other, she would have been... 593 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.960 But also, she sold that huge house. 594 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:53.579 It's hush money. 595 00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:59.519 She got some money off suing Juno Baker for sexual harassment. 596 00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:00.179 Yes. 597 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.920 So you know? 598 00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:02.340 Yep. 599 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:14.519 We're just at the point in this conversation where you're talking about all the parallels to Doctor Who. 600 00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.920 But in here, the beginning of the episode. 601 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:18.900 I think it comes in into Earth. 602 00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:24.840 And the end of the episode when they look up, out, and she's talking again, which she'll do a number of times. 603 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.940 It's the same dialogue too. 604 00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:39.960 We actually get her doing a voiceover as we go from space to earth and then we actually see her do it in a weird way where she's suddenly monologuing to the camera, which is above her head as we sort of go up into space. 605 00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:42.599 And so we've learned nothing really in a way. 606 00:41:42.659 --> 00:41:46.260 You know, we started knowing this and now we end by knowing this. 607 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:47.940 Which is how it should be. 608 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:48.659 Yeah. 609 00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:50.460 You got to hit the reset button. 610 00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:57.480 You know, if they didn't do anything more, if they just did the pilot, then, you know, what a way to end it. 611 00:41:57.539 --> 00:42:00.239 I can't remember how they ended K9 and company. 612 00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:02.940 Was it talking into a phone? 613 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:03.480 Not like that. 614 00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:06.179 Going through a door, perhaps? 615 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.619 Another phone conversation. 616 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.420 Maybe the end of Kane on company is when she finally goes out to finish that glass of wine. 617 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.079 She has wine time, like caffeine. 618 00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:31.260 But I love the fact in this, like, you know, Mrs. Wormwood, you know, until the next time, and I'm left at the end wanting more. you know, I want to see what happens next. 619 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:41.400 And it's just hilariously, the kids show team up where she teams up with the Santaran from Maria's last story. that right? 620 00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:46.860 It's like at the end of season 2 and she teams up with us on Tyron because it's a kid show and why not? 621 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:48.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 622 00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:49.380 And that's marvellous. 623 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.980 So we do get to see her back and she is just incredible. 624 00:42:53.039 --> 00:43:01.139 And she does sort of just fall short of next time I will not be so lenient before there's a sort of giant explosion. 625 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:06.300 She does some great sort of staggering acting too in the middle of the explosion, which is pretty marvellous. 626 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:07.920 She's so good. 627 00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.239 I love her so much. 628 00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:11.400 Like, I mean, it's great that she comes back. 629 00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:13.019 You know, there's a bit of an arc. 630 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.699 It's a shame that she doesn't come back again. 631 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:23.820 I guess they sort of move that recurring thing onto the trickster, which is such a great creation and one of the best villains of all time who I'd like to really see in Doctor Who. 632 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.340 But they use that so well here. 633 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:32.579 But coming back to this and watching it and all the beats that you've said, like I still think it's a great pilot. 634 00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:34.019 And it's a great show. 635 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.940 What Torchwood does is say we can have a miserable time here. 636 00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:44.159 And what this show does is it says we're going to enjoy ourselves. 637 00:43:44.219 --> 00:43:46.739 And you've got Samantha Bond. 638 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.900 She's just absolutely incredibly watchable. 639 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.480 There's all sorts of comedy that really lands. 640 00:43:51.539 --> 00:43:53.940 And there's the familiar thing. 641 00:43:54.000 --> 00:44:06.659 You know, there's all of this kids TV stuff that the kids are going to enjoy and that the fans who are watching it nostalgically are going to enjoy. 642 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.639 Well, yeah, Blue Peter. 643 00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:15.480 But I'm just talking about, you know, sneaking out in the middle of the night going into the garden, that sort of dreamlike thing. 644 00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:20.219 Your parents not knowing the weird alien thing that's happening. 645 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:25.440 All of that sort of stuff is just the staple of kind of kids TV and here it all is. 646 00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:37.920 But as fans, like we get so many Doctor Who references subtle references in here and then we want more of that, you know, and you have that anticipation that at some point things are going to come up and ultimately they will. 647 00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:38.760 Yeah. 648 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.380 You know, I've always loved that this is an unashamed kid's show. 649 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.260 Yeah, then Main Show is a family show. 650 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.800 And I think the problem with torture is it wanted to be an adult show, and it was an adolescent show. 651 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.480 It's also, it's also, there's a kind of like death is bleak thing. 652 00:44:57.539 --> 00:44:59.219 It's just, yeah, because that's what it really is. 653 00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:01.619 Denisley. yeah, I'm 12. 654 00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:03.599 Everything's like the worst thing that ever happened. 655 00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:05.880 But in Welsh, much worse. 656 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:11.699 It's even got an Amy Stewart clone in a cyber lady rig thing. 657 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.980 And I thought, oh, I don't know which shark we're jumping now. 658 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.199 Oh my god. 659 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:18.000 She was knock on words. 660 00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:21.780 I was like, where are we going with this torture? 661 00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:24.599 I guess torture was just trying to be all things to all persons. 662 00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:27.059 Yeah, it's, I don't know. 663 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:34.679 Even when it came out, I was like, oh, it's mistaken being adult for being being a teenager who thinks they're grown up. 664 00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:44.159 Also, that it also had Barriman who, I mean, he was really required to do a lot more than a musical comedy actor is probably able. 665 00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:45.059 Oh, absolutely. 666 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.199 And I remember that moment in utopia where he comes back and I sort of think, oh, god, yes, okay. 667 00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:50.159 That's, yes. 668 00:45:50.219 --> 00:45:51.900 He can be like this. 669 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:52.920 Exactly. 670 00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:55.440 That's really good. he's literally no fun at all. 671 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:01.260 Look, I think torture does eventually get there for 5 glorious episodes. 672 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.900 Whereas exactly. and the one where they kill them all and it's just Capaldi. 673 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:08.880 Best thing they ever did. 674 00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:10.559 But this lands straight off. 675 00:46:10.619 --> 00:46:14.579 And as soon as you see Liz turn around and go, ugh, new neighbours. 676 00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:15.300 I'm with you. 677 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:19.139 God, yes. and they've got children. 678 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.260 She should be in the remake of Wicked. 679 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.119 I mean, the green hat, flying fricking monkeys, canine. all there. 680 00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:28.559 It's all there if you look for it. 681 00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:37.139 And I do think a lot of children, maybe not just the queer ones, although correct me, really like the cool stepmother. 682 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.780 They don't want the unctuous adult all the time. 683 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:40.679 Oh, you look sacrous. 684 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:45.539 Please, give me some space and respect and some cool. kids love someone who doesn't love them. 685 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.679 That's it. 686 00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:49.559 They're like, I want to hang out with my baron auntie. 687 00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:51.059 She's she's fun. 688 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:58.320 In fact, that final scene is that there's something really great about that final scene, because... 689 00:46:58.380 --> 00:46:59.280 That was the title. 690 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.639 The Baron Auntie Adventures. 691 00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:11.460 And now she's got a son. 692 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:24.659 Yeah, so that final scene, I think, where she sneaks off from her wretched family, who are still talking about the check or whatever, and she just sneaks off and, you know, like it seems to be later in the evening, but like, whatever, who cares? 693 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.920 immediately after that. 694 00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:30.360 And she's just in the back garden with all of them and they're having fun and it's kind of nice. 695 00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:32.099 Kelsey's bricked up. 696 00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:33.420 And Kelsey's, yeah. 697 00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:34.860 She's still moving. 698 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.380 Another brick and scratch, a muffled bird. 699 00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:39.960 I want a muffin. 700 00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:42.000 Muff bubble shock bird. 701 00:47:42.059 --> 00:47:43.500 Screaming? 702 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.519 No, no. 703 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:52.380 You know, like, I think that that's a nice ending in a nice sort of place, no, because it's an escape for her as well, because Maria starts sort of dislocated. 704 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.820 We do get that little moment where she sort of goes off to the room crying because it's all been a little bit too much. 705 00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.739 So she's found something as well. 706 00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:00.719 That's not her flaky parents. 707 00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:03.659 And that's very nice too. 708 00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:04.619 It's really sweet. 709 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.719 Well, that's all the time we have for this season. 710 00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:45.360 Flight through Entirety will be back for Christmas in July, with the return of Dr. Mysterio, and back again after that for Peter Capoldi's final season. 500-year diary will return in 2025. 711 00:48:46.199 --> 00:49:03.360 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, 500yearDiary.com, where you'll find our social media links, as well as links to all of our other podcasts, including our other Doctor Who podcasts, Flight through Entirety, and the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire. 712 00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:08.340 Until next time, remember that life on earth can be an adventure too. 713 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.460 So why not base jump into the office tomorrow morning? 714 00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:13.920 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 715 00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:15.059 Good night. 716 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.260 See you soon. 717 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:17.579 Good jumpings. 718 00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:34.199 That was 500 Year Diary, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, Adam Richard, and Richard Stone. 719 00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:37.019 The theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. 720 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:43.920 This episode where Kelsey Went, was recorded on the 19th of April, 2024, and released on the 19th of May. 721 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:56.820 Once again, just a few hours after the release of this episode, head on over to our Doctor Who flash cast, The Second Great and Bountiful Human Empire, for our hot takes on Stephen Moffat's return to the show. 722 00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:03.000 You can find us wherever you get your podcasts or check us out at greatandbountiful.com. 723 00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:13.860 What do you think? 724 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.320 I'm not sure if we've missed any beats. 725 00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:18.659 Is there anything else that happening in this? 726 00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:25.619 It's pretty simple Oh, I didn't mention how the muffin turned into be turned out to be a TV writer that Russell T. Davis produced his 1st show. 727 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.119 Oh, really? 728 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.519 No, that's interesting. 729 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:30.719 Can we drop that in? 730 00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:34.260 I think we dropped it in there. dropping it in. 731 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:40.500 Yeah, he is pretty, but in a kind of very, well, like you said, Todd, sort of boy band way. 732 00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:43.320 I think he was in the footballer's wives back then. 733 00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:44.460 Oh really? 734 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:44.940 Yeah. 735 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.619 Was he one of the wines? 736 00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:48.719 He was a footballer. 737 00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:50.639 Now, you didn't record an outro. 738 00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:52.199 No, so we will do that. 739 00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:53.099 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 740 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.039 But so, yeah. 741 00:50:56.099 --> 00:50:59.639 I mean, Alan is pretty and continues to be pretty. 742 00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:04.739 And I kind of miss both of them, although I think Geese is pretty great when she turns up. 743 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:06.840 Oh, she's the best. she's great. 744 00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:08.039 Yeah, yeah. 745 00:51:08.099 --> 00:51:08.940 She's perfect. 746 00:51:09.059 --> 00:51:10.440 She's got a lovely energy about him. 747 00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:11.280 Yeah, yeah. 748 00:51:11.340 --> 00:51:12.659 But I did love Chrissy too. 749 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.360 She's the nearest just for you, isn't she? 750 00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:17.579 The Annalise. 751 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:19.440 Russell always gives us one. 752 00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:25.199 I'm so glad that we get Neres 25 years later on him. 753 00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:28.440 How are you feeling about having 2 mums in the new series? 754 00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:32.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 755 00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:33.059 And a grandmother. 756 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:34.019 Yeah. 757 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.119 Yeah, I like the mum. 758 00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:37.679 I like the mum. they're all good. 759 00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:38.280 Yeah, good. 760 00:51:38.340 --> 00:51:40.679 I was so excited that Sylvia was back for the specials. 761 00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:41.760 Oh my god. 762 00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:43.199 Oh, my God. 763 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.000 I think we all felt that slapped. 764 00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:45.840 Tuna Madras. 765 00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:47.039 Tuna Madras? 766 00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:47.880 Jesus. 767 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:48.960 That sounds awful. 768 00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.760 It sounds dreadful. 769 00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:52.199 But it's so funny. 770 00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:53.760 Like, it's just a brilliant. 771 00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:56.940 Like, 0 my god, why had the show not been so funny for five? 772 00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.860 Yeah, you can't imagine. 773 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:09.300 It's it is all of Russell's tropes, but then again, I mean, you just want him to do your Schmorgesbjord for you, don't you? 774 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:10.260 Because he gets it right. 775 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.840 I'd eat the egg salad if he did it. 776 00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:13.980 The tuna address? 777 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:14.940 The tuna Madras. 778 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.880 Oh, if Sylvia does the hand twist, the Disney hand twist. 779 00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:20.820 Do you do the outro? 780 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:21.780 All right. 781 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.880 Well, that's all the time. 782 00:52:23.940 --> 00:52:24.300 Sorry. 783 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.579 Well, that's all the time we have for this season.