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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to 500 Year Diary.

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The only Doctor Who podcast that's completely gone off kombucha

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for some reason.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Adam.

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I'm Todd, and I'm a fizzy, wizzy, tropey, mimi distillation of

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everything RTD's ever done for one hour for this one.

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Well, it's New Year's Day 2007.

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Just over 25 years ago.

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We watched the 1st episode of the 1st ever Doctor Who spinoff, a

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spinoff that never got a 2nd episode.

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But tonight, Sarah, Jane, and K9 are back in the 1st episode of

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the spinoff that Liz Slaton always deserved.

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Let's hear how she gets on in the Sarah Jane Adventures, Invasion

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of the Bane.

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Now, just over two months ago, we had the first episode of

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Torchwood, and I have to say that this is terrifyingly similar to

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that.

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Terrifyingly similar In what way?

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So a lot of the story beats are the same.

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I mean, you start, you know, you get this outsider who is

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intrigued by something mysterious, who gets a taste of it very

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early on from a distance and then kind of reacts badly to it and

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flees.

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And that's the same plot as Rose.

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And Rose does that as well.

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And you're saying Russell's just got a template.

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I think he does have a template. because then Maria becomes more

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involved with Sarah Jane, but at around about halfway through

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she's told by Sarah Jane to go home and forget everything that

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she's seen, just like the doctor tells Rose to go home and

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forget.

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And of course, because it's tortured Jack Spikes, Gwen's drink.

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Yeah, so that. she'll forget. not essentially made to forget

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that's right There's not much consent in short is there?

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Not really, no.

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And so what ends up happening is that after being rejected by the

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sort of crotchety main character or the grumpy and mysterious main

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character, the new the new girl.

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Are we talking about Liz?

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All 3 of them.

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The new goal finally sort of shows that she is helpful in some way

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except for Gwen, who just watches India Obama shoot herself in the

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head.

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And then, you know, finally we sort of end up deciding to join

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forces.

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And what we said last week was that this is sort of different from

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that sort of classical, you know, mono myth, you know, the Joseph

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Campbell mono myth where the person actually is chosen in some way

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from the beginning and then rejects that and is finally persuaded

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to kind of step up.

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In fact, it's a person trying to get in and being constantly

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rebuffed and then finally accepted at the end.

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Do you think the church on Ruby Road is finally this story having

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the Joseph Campbell chosen one element to it.

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Maybe that's it.

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Because it's the same story.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, I mean, is it the same as an unearthly child?

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I think they're similar to beats because again, you have a female

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character investigating.

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She's got her support there, which happens to be Ian.

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And in all these other ones, there's some sort of support for the

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main character, and this one, of course, it's Maria's parents.

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Well, just the dad read.

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Well, yes.

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And and and I guess Kelsey is her confident.

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And then at some point you either meet the Tartar or the Torchwood

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hub, or in this case, Mr. Smith in the attic.

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Yeah, yeah. you know, 3 quarters of the way through or whatever

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two-thirds of the way it happens to be.

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So, yes, again, I think there is real similarities between all of

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these things.

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Yeah.

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It does start to feel like it's a boilerplate now.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it works, doesn't it?

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And have we gone for like decades without kind of making the

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link?

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You know what?

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It works.

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I feel like it works better in the instances where the character

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that you meet is one you remember from many episodes as opposed to

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a handful of the 1st series.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think, like, I forgot Maria was in it.

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I'm like, oh, that's right.

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There was a different girl.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And Kelsey, I'm like, oh, there was another different girl.

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But I think you go along in that journey with Maria.

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I think she's actually, I think she's actually very good, you know

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and the character itself I enjoy and her family and, you know, that

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whole setup with the family where you think that they're all

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moving in together for a moment and then it just sort of begins to

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turn slightly and you just kind of think, oh, maybe there's

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something not right here.

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You're already alerted to the fact because she's checking out the

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bum of the moving guy.

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They all move, though, don't they?

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It's not the power of the Daleks by Ian Levine or any of the other

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ones.

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And that family, I think, kind of works, but what ends up

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happening is that we get the chance to sort of try it again.

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Yeah.

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And I should have had I been a little bit more devoted.

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I would have watched.

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I think it's the beginning of series three.

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It's the 2nd story of series 3 where Rani moves in.

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Series two.

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Is it really?

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Maria's only in season one.

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Plus the 1st 2 episodes of...

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Wow.

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Because it's written out.

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I didn't realise it was...

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GCSEs in real life.

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Like she was so not Coke.

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I just want to talk about, like, the fact that, you know, you are

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with Maria all the way, and I just feel like the Kelsey character

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didn't quite work.

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She certainly comes out of nowhere.

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She seems to be a little bit older, like, you know, because she's

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quite sexual compared to Maria, and I think, um, like, because

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she's, she's after the muffin, like, like, a greased werewolf in a

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cake shop.

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Look like I said, do you like a muffin toe or do you like the

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muffin bottom?

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what I'll say there.

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But that is a glorious joke, eh?

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That's fact.

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Fantastic.

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I'll take the cherry as well.

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Thanks, Tom.

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Help me. help me now.

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She's even interested in Maria's dad later on, she even finds him

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hot.

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And at no point, Maria seems very uncomfortable with that.

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I can see what they're trying to do, but it doesn't quite work and

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I think it's a combination of the character not quite working with

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the others as well as the performance, the actress, I think, being

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slightly like on a different level with everybody else.

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Like, that's that's how I felt when I was watching it.

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She is 15.

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And so is Maria.

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And you have Tommy Knight as well, who's 13.

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And so you have 3 children in the main cast, and that's incredibly

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difficult to manage because there's all sorts of rules governing

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how long children can work for.

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It's really clear why when they replace Maria and Kelsey, they

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replace them with adults.

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So Daniel Anthony, who is in the next episode, is 19 and obviously

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Angeli Mahindra is an adult as well.

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So they're replaced by adults playing it young.

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I think they both, and particularly Maria, just seems like

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genuinely like a proper 15 year old.

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What I think Kelsey does.

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And what I think she does well is she punctures all of the crap.

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So there is a big amount of standing around talking in the attic

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after a long scene of standing around talking in Miss Wormwood's

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office.

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And in each case she's there to puncture it and to kind of make it

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funny.

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I think she does a pretty good job of that.

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It was better when Donna was that character.

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Well, yes.

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Just go, oh, this is trying to do Catherine Tate before Catherine

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Tate.

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But that might be true.

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But coming back to this.

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I did find her much funnier and certainly when she sang, oh, like

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I don't scream and next thing you know, on 3 occasions, she...

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Her screaming is great.

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She's so good.

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She was in stars in their eyes for kids.

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Oh, at the age of 10, like 5 years before this.

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So she had been seen on telly before.

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And she is one hell of a superb screamer.

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She's really great.

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She's Bonnie Langford level, I reckon.

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I was surprised.

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It was very funny.

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Yeah, and maybe that's a throwback to Liz's time on the show as

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well. tended to hold it back.

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I thought Todd was going to talk about the Kelsey character as

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being the only non-middle class one, and I was wanting to ask what

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you all thought, seeing this again after what appears to be so

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long, where is our youth?

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We weren't even bloody young.

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I'm not.

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Stop that. cut that out.

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She's the working class aggressive one that every middle class

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person because this is really BBC for kids stuff, but, I mean, it

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is.

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But he always puts these characters in that are playground

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aggressors that are actually the ones that probably baulked the

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fans in the playground in ways that are not comfortable and

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there's the T word.

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She's a triggering character.

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But then he humanises them, or at least he brings us all to a

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level where we can have sympathy for difference, and that's

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Russell's great skill, and he just does it all the time.

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He's even doing it, allowing Liz to stand on a glacier, like the

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last act of the Rhine Gold, with a bloody sceptre and the horny

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hat, thinking, I hate kids.

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And you still get it all to kind of mesh.

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You don't.

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You can still see she hates the kids.

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But I just think it's interesting.

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Kelsey's not even there at the end when they're with Luke and

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Maria and Sarah in the garden.

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Like, so to me, even watching this back, I just felt that she was

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this other character, comic relief character, like who wasn't

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quite, even with her reactions to what was going on in the attic

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she wasn't quite part of that core group.

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And I think they get it really quite right with Clyde next

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episode.

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He's got a little bit more of the working class, but not too much

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in there.

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So he's a bit more sort of closer to them.

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And I think having a male character to bond with Luke really works

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whereas here Maria doesn't, I think, really need Kelsey.

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That's right.

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I feel like there's also, because given they've given Kelsey all

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of this stuff to do with the muffin.

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Yeah. that there's an instant level of sexual tension between her

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and Luke that is, it's like, oh, well, we would have to go there

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now because she's obviously voracious in her appetite.

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And they're like, oh, he doesn't even have a belly button.

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Let's not even invite this conversation and bring in a male friend

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for him.

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Like, I feel like there was at some point someone's gone.

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Yeah, we've probably gone a bit far with her being into guys.

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I think I think that the reason that they give is that they

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thought that the gender balance was wrong.

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And I do think that Tommy needed a mentor, like Tommy's character

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Luke needs a mentor.

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I think more than Maria needs a friend who isn't that interested

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in her.

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Well, Maria's mental is Liz.

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Yes, Henry Jane.

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Yeah, you know, not her mother.

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And I think the comedy character that we have then is Chrissy.

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And I seem to remember that when it was announced that Billy Piper

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was leaving the parent program.

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Obviously, the thing that I was devastated about was Camil Kajuri

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leaving.

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And, you know, Billy's great, but Camille.

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And here, when I heard that Maria was leaving, I was really, really

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sorry that we would lose Chrissy because I think she's absolutely

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brilliant.

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She's awful and amazing all that.

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I will agree with you.

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Like, I didn't really actually like her very much in this, but I

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know having watched the series that I loved all her comic relief

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moments throughout and certainly in her last episode with Santara

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and she's fantastic.

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But also Alan's the other one where he just grows and grows as a

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character and I really feel like in another world, if this had

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been done 10 years earlier, they would have tried to make him a

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love interest for Sarah Jane.

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I just kind of think that's the feeling I get.

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So I think I was quite devastated that we were going to be losing

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him.

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He's pretty as well I mean, Kelsey.

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Kelsey is right.

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She's correct.

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I don't know about the muffin.

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The muffin looks like, you know, from, from, from, period, isn't

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it?

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So 2016, with those degrade boy bands, I'm making Bad Boys Inc

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here.

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And if you know who they are, you really know your boy bands, but

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with awful, like, sort of longish hair and then, you know, when we

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had those little flares in the in the jeans and stuff.

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I think I talked about this in the torch, whatever.

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I thought Owen was wearing it. very much a similar sort of thing.

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But, you know, what the hey, he's there for a purpose and

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ultimately, you know, Mrs. Wormwood says, bye.

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I actually think he's really terrific and there's that one moment

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where he's in the car dropping Kelsey off in Bannerman Road.

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And she says, oh, you know, I don't have to get home till 6.

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Why don't we go and have a burger?

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And he just very quietly says, get out.

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It's so good.

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It's a great show survive on their supporting cast.

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And so having like the 2nd villain or, you know, the henchman.

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He's good and then Leslie, the secretary, like she's going to off

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Sarah Jane in the left.

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You know, she's great.

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But of course, it all comes back to the main villain.

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Oh, who Samantha Bond, as Mrs. Wormwood, is just fantastic.

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I mean, she is like a classic Doctor Who villain, like Harrison

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Chase or.

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I don't know who else.

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I genuinely think the reason that she can't understand a word

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Kelsey is saying, you know, she doesn't know. middle class.

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She's in the Downtonapping.

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No, because she's from a TV show in the 1970s, I think.

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What is this?

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Jeremy Kyle.

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Who is that?

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You know, the only thing I found frustrating is that because it's

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children's television, because it's done on a tight budget, I know

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because I'm working in children's television at the moment and

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how's that?

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Apparently when you have small people, you need less money.

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It's not true.

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I have smaller feet and take longer to get everywhere.

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It's true But the moment when Samantha Bond does her big Mrs

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Wormwood speech, the camera has a massive wobble and it's like, oh

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we can't shoot it again.

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Do you mean the food speech?

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Yeah, they're like closing in on her?

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Like the camera's coming in tight and then it's like, oh, run over

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a cat.

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Keep going.

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And it's just, I, I, this is something I'm going to say. did not

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enjoy the direction of this episode at all.

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Lots of Dutch angles, lots of...

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So this is directed by Colin Teague, who did the sound of drums

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and last of the time.

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And I think there's moments in that that I have got problems

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with.

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But he did Pompeii, which I really like.

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So, you know, and he did full torchwood.

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So he's, you know, not a statue, but I can see where you're coming

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from that time.

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That bubble shock ad.

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Like that just drove me nuts.

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Do you know, I actually thought, and maybe I'm just stupid.

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But one of the things that TV shows are very bad at doing is inset

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TV shows or like ads on telly.

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Like they always look crappy.

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Like they never look like telly. and you kind of go, you guys are

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making telly.

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How do you not make the telly on telly look convincing?

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I actually thought that the bubble shock ad was surprisingly kind

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of, you know, it's fast moving.

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It has skateboarders.

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It has people who aren't speaking.

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There seem to be a lot of people in it.

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And I thought that I did a reasonable job.

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I was frustrated with the graphic design.

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Yes, it is upsettingly bad.

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Really?

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Like, because I read a lot of comic books and that's like a basic

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comic book font that they've used for the typeface and it's just

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like, oh, it just looks like someone has tripped over something

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and fallen into a cupboard and there's a big sound effect going

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on.

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Bubble shop.

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I don't think they wanted to terrify nice BBC viewers with actual

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tagging.

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It was very homogenised tagging.

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But, you know, there is some attempt to have some kind of sort of

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unity to all of the stuff.

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Like, I think the bus, like, they paid the bus. hilarious.

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The bus is really great.

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Like, you do talk about the fact that there is a budget to this

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but they've got the bus.

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They have that big explosion at the end, the bus go through the

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location is pretty great.

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I so missed Robert Helpman in this one, didn't you?

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You've got, you know, whatever they, they needed to make Mr. Smith

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and his fanfare.

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Oh yeah, but that's Amelia rated through the...

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, that's a big spend you do at the start.

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Yeah, I know, I know, but what I'm saying.

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It looks it looks amazing.

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There are there is a lot of stuff that looks great.

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But some of that CGI with the...

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Is it the bang?

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The bang.

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It does look fantastic.

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Some of that was...

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There's one outside...

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It's the one outside Sarah Jane's place or someone there looks

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really broken.

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Oh, no.

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That's the bit that I like.

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The bit where the muffin turns into the CG squid and then starts

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chasing, like is in the on the roof, like of her hallway and then

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climbs up the stairs and stuff.

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And the way that it's smashing on the door with its tentacles and

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things.

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I just think that is so fantastic.

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I would have loved that as a kid and I don't think it needs to be

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better.

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Like even watching it now.

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SD.

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I think it's wonderful.

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What it looks like, what it looks like is the picture of the

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nestings on the cover of the Terror of the Autons novelisation.

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Yeah, so it's for kids.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think it's wonderful.

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And I love how kind of it has a sort of blabby fleshy sort of feel

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to it.

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It feels like there's gravity.

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It feels rubbery.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It feels probably rubbery.

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I think it's sold wonderfully.

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I mean, the thing in the roof, like there's nothing cheaper than

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just doing a special effect on the roof because you key out a

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square, you know, no one's standing in front of it.

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And so we had that with the Jagrafess, you know, in series one.

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We had it with the scanner in the TARDIS in the TV movie.

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It something that it's very cheap to do.

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And so you know, the Bane mother is a bit crappy, I think.

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There's, you know, there's a weird moment where I feel like Colin

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Teague has told Samantha Bond, oh, you're going to be using magic

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powers to lift this big pole and throw it and she does all these

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arm movements.

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But then there's a CGI tentacle lifting it.

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So I'm like, are you conducting?

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That's what I thought it was.

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I thought, mum, mum, do this.

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Throw the thing.

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It honestly looked like she thought she had powers and she was

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doing this.

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I think she just picked up a lot of camp working with Dalton all

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day.

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I just thought it was, yeah, I just thought it was part of her

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camp performance.

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She's so camping. going up against Liz Slater, you know, a star of

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the 1970s.

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That very 1st scene with them in the office is electrifying.

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It's worth an hour of that.

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Yeah, yeah In my head, it went for an hour. because I just watched

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it over and over. again.

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No, it's perfect.

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And again, that's the thing about this terribly thin script and I

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was listening to you all thinking, what's the difference really

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between this and something we watched as kids called Doctor Who

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that we loved?

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This is more childlike.

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I'd say childish than any of the Doctor Who's we had, even back

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then.

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This is so I have long held this theory that when there is a kid's

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version of the show, the adult version can be more adult, which

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happened in the 70s when Blake 7 turned up, Tom Baker got a robot

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dog and it became a really kidsy half hour show because there was

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an hour of more adult, albeit quite bonkers, science fiction going

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on every week at the BBC.

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And this is the same when this turns up, the main show becomes

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grittier, it has more adult storylines.

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Plus, we also with Sarah Jane.

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We got the cliffhangers back everywhere.

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Yeah, so good.

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This is why this is the best spinoff, in my opinion. by far.

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Having those cliffhangers, you do get that whole Doctor Who feel.

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And I do think you get a lot of classic kind of Doctor Who

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villains to go up against the central character.

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Get the brigadier.

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And you bring in the history of the show gradually.

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And I think every season they just get stronger and stronger in

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terms of performances and where they're prepared to go with the

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characters as those teen characters get a bit older.

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And also to the Sarah Jane character lets her guard down and grows

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herself.

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And I think if you watch the whole thing through, it's a shame

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that we didn't get the whole of that last season to really see

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where they, but they were already going there anyway.

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You know, I think torchwoods all up and down and over the place

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and I think there's some great episodes and there's some stuff

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that's not great.

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Class is like whatever that was.

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But for me, this is the best spinoff.

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We said last week that Torchwood has a sort of pretty grim sort of

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mission statement, which is where Susie, just before shooting

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herself in the head, complains that all of the aliens that we get

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here on Earth are terrible and we get the terrible aliens and

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maybe out there in the parent show, they're a wonders and marvels

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beyond compare and things can be exciting and uplifting and

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positive, but everything is just terrible here.

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And maybe giving that brief to Chris Chibnell is probably the

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wrong call as well.

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But even dark suddenly.

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But even in Russell's hands that's a bit unpleasant.

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Here, I think we've absolutely just said, no, this is going to be

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fun.

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And so you have Samantha Bond and superb.

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Like, the classic series doesn't have as many female villains as

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we think.

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Not really many at all.

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And I think she is absolutely up there.

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She's Vivian Faye.

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You know, she's yeah, she's Miss Winters.

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She is.

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That speech, you know the speech about food that Russell's fear of

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food speech, which will turn up in the next episode of Doctor Who

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Smith and Jones, and Anne Reid will get to talk about all those

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rich sauces and wines and things.

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And the master will do it, you know, after that a couple of years

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later when he's eating the turkey, you know, like Russell's just

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as a kind of gay man whose body conscious, all of his weird fat

503
00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:06.539
stuff, which we imagine he's not going to be doing now that he's

504
00:24:06.539 --> 00:24:06.900
back.

505
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.339
But all of that, just horror of food.

506
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.599
And just the way she delivers it with that crisp English accent

507
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.420
with every consonant, just like cut glass.

508
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.279
She's incredible, just incredible.

509
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:21.839
Oh my god.

510
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:26.640
It's weird you bring up the food thing because that scene made me

511
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.839
think of how dated the show is not because of the muffin's hair

512
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:35.279
but when when Sarah Jane goes, oh, and you just got right through

513
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:35.819
the EU.

514
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.740
And I'm like, oh, yeah, that wouldn't be a problem anymore.

515
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:38.940
Yeah.

516
00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:43.140
Even at the beginning, when Chrissy asked for a check.

517
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.599
Like, I'm just going, what's a check?

518
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.539
Also in a kid's show.

519
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.740
Like, again, like, constantly having discussions at work, like

520
00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:54.059
would kids know what this is?

521
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.119
Because their cultural knowledge is 5 years ago.

522
00:24:57.539 --> 00:25:01.680
But I think that's okay because I think back in Classic Doctor Who

523
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:05.579
when we were kids, we were exposed to things and concepts and

524
00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:09.779
ideas that we weren't necessarily, um, weren't necessarily in our

525
00:25:09.779 --> 00:25:09.960
world.

526
00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:12.480
Like, you know, if you look at the John Pertry stuff with like the

527
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:17.160
female prime minister and the ecological stuff, like, that was all

528
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.579
like when we were watching it, well, when I was watching it anyway

529
00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:22.079
like in the 80s.

530
00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:26.160
It's like that made sense, but you know, 5 years earlier or 6

531
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.839
years, 7 years earlier, it was not necessarily in the mind of

532
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:31.200
everybody.

533
00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:33.839
So having those things in there, I think is good to educate

534
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.200
without educating, like, you know, what does that mean?

535
00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:39.900
Like somebody might start thinking, what is that, you know, and

536
00:25:39.900 --> 00:25:41.099
look it up and learn something.

537
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.660
Yeah, I think quite frequently, I'll remember that there's a word

538
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:49.079
that I heard for the 1st time in a Doctor Who story. there must be

539
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:50.700
dozens and dozens of those, I think.

540
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:52.140
Serendipity.

541
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.539
Very true.

542
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.900
I'm liking the structure and what we're talking about and the

543
00:25:57.900 --> 00:25:59.160
things that we zone in on.

544
00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:01.799
And I think, and it's that scene between the two.

545
00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:05.279
Obviously, we're here for Liz and, I mean, I know Todd and I just

546
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:08.640
hearts burst when we heard this was coming out, and I wasn't

547
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:09.599
disappointed at all.

548
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:12.420
Because she's such an ice queen.

549
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:14.700
And that's all I ever wanted from her.

550
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.299
And it was that early, if you know those 1st 3 stories with

551
00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:20.579
Pertley and the Brigadier when she really lets them know.

552
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.740
It was a bit of that back.

553
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.839
But we also grew up with Maggie Smith before she was the goddess

554
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.660
of TV in films like Pride of Miss Jean Brody.

555
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.759
Thank you, Bill Collins. had to read that at school.

556
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.960
Muriel Spark is, you know, she was a Bletchley code broker.

557
00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:37.619
Really?

558
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:38.880
Yeah, hated women.

559
00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:41.339
There's a whole generation.

560
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.299
Iris Murdoch?

561
00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:43.380
No, seriously.

562
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.180
She actually really does.

563
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.480
Memento Mori is my pick of the week if anyone wants to read Mural

564
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:48.960
Spuck.

565
00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:52.200
But anyway, my point is, we grew up with these Eve Arden

566
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.720
characters, if you remember, she's the headmistress in Greece and

567
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.180
she was, but all these women that are actually doing films in the

568
00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:59.519
50s. already old by the 60s.

569
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:02.819
But it wasn't for Russell, because Doctor Who's now being made by

570
00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:04.380
gay men of a certain age.

571
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:08.460
So everything here is a little trope, ting, of something that we

572
00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:09.359
loved and grew up with.

573
00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:12.059
And I think this is made for children, but it is also made for

574
00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:13.019
gays of a certain age.

575
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.559
And how often those 2 Mr. Disney, Mr. Eisner, how often those 2

576
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:17.160
things go together?

577
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:18.900
It's familiar to us.

578
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.400
And it's wanted to ask you.

579
00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:22.079
I wonder how kids feel about it.

580
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.880
But then Disney co-opted that anyway and turned all of those 40s

581
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:31.200
archetypes into just, you know, things he does.

582
00:27:31.259 --> 00:27:32.220
Well, but divine, yeah.

583
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.140
That's that shtick.

584
00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:38.339
But it's quite sticky and it feels like a, it feels like a 60s.

585
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:41.819
I think that Russell has always identified.

586
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.319
He was always the companion.

587
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:44.460
Yes, don't you think?

588
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.619
I mean, I was always the companion.

589
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:46.980
Totally.

590
00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:47.640
I never would.

591
00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:48.359
He always talked to her.

592
00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:49.440
I want to be a companion.

593
00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:51.839
Yeah, he was always the one. new stuff and it's like, well, I

594
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:52.559
didn't know anything.

595
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.579
Rosser was always the 1st one to cry out, what are all these knobs

596
00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:56.819
for?

597
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:59.339
I've never seen so many.

598
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.859
I mean, there's a reason she's called Rose.

599
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.940
Do you know what I mean?

600
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.980
Like, he names her after him in the 1st Doctor Who annual of

601
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:08.759
2005.

602
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.519
He gives Rose his birthday.

603
00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:12.359
Yeah.

604
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.680
So, his safe word, Rose.

605
00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:19.200
So is Maria named after Gareth Roberts?

606
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.700
Who's the other writer at this episode?

607
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.440
I was wondering when we were going to get to.

608
00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:24.059
What's his contribution here?

609
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:25.559
Like, did he have the 1st pass of it?

610
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:26.400
Do you know the history?

611
00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:27.660
I don't I don't.

612
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:31.079
I think that you can detect, like, I don't want to talk about

613
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.859
Gareth Roberts very much because he's obviously awful.

614
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:42.000
But there is a conservatism that he has, I think, and some of its

615
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.779
aesthetic, you know, he's not a terrible choice to write something

616
00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:49.019
that he's kind of retro in its approach because this isn't just

617
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:50.339
70s Doctor Who.

618
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.240
It's also chocky and, you know, those things that we watch as a

619
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.420
kid, children of the stars. of the stones.

620
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.859
I have to go home in the dark.

621
00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:03.900
So it's all of those things, isn't it?

622
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.900
With the cliffhangers, you know, with bigger budgets and they

623
00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:09.119
needed to have the half hour thing.

624
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:11.099
And so he's the right person to do that.

625
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:16.259
But I do think that some of the, that the fact that it's a drink

626
00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:21.839
that kids like it's associated with the way kids talk, you've got

627
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.619
Kelsey there kind of exemplifying that and being described by Mrs

628
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.859
Wormwood as full of sort of noise and ignorance and stuff.

629
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.519
You know, there's there's a kind of conservatism and a kind of

630
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:37.980
suspicion of young people's culture which seems surprising coming

631
00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:39.480
from Russell.

632
00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:45.059
You know, all of the good people drink tea and the big betrayal at

633
00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:49.140
the end is when Maria discovers that her father's been secretly

634
00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:50.220
drinking bubble shock.

635
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:51.420
You know?

636
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.000
So, so there's that.

637
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:57.839
I think that maybe that's Roberts's conservatism sort of

638
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.099
appearing.

639
00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:02.400
Because he kind of sidelined a bit more in favour of Phil Ford, who

640
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.259
did a lot more riding on the show.

641
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:09.119
Well, I think Phil came to the four, so to speak, and just got the

642
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:09.839
show immediately.

643
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:13.319
Yeah, and really sort of then took over as the person directing

644
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.559
where things were going into young adulthood for a lot of these

645
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:16.920
characters.

646
00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:17.519
Yeah.

647
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.460
So is Russell responsible for the line?

648
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.259
She worships Holly Oaks?

649
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.599
Like, the holy oak, the holy oak.

650
00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:24.839
Sorry.

651
00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:26.700
I loved that made me laugh so much.

652
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.559
I did think that was quite clever.

653
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.359
Oh, it is, he was like, is obviously like the Sonic lipstick.

654
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:35.160
Sonic lipstick is too much.

655
00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:41.339
I thought it was a really nasty joke on K9 and the bits that we

656
00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:41.940
never saw.

657
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:42.480
No, no.

658
00:30:42.539 --> 00:30:45.900
Well, canine sonic lipstick.

659
00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:48.960
I'm very sorry, but...

660
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:54.720
He does feel a little denuded in this story, doesn't he?

661
00:30:54.779 --> 00:30:59.039
Well, I mean, canine's in this, but obviously they were filming

662
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.240
the new K9 series.

663
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:02.640
Is that why did the rights to it?

664
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:07.380
I thought Scott Russell hated the idea of having to just all that

665
00:31:07.380 --> 00:31:10.079
time that they took to shoot around that damn dog.

666
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:10.559
What did you say?

667
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:13.619
I'm sure it's because Elizabeth Slayton went, I am not getting

668
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:14.759
down on my knees at this age.

669
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.539
I'm six.

670
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:16.140
Not again.

671
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:20.759
Look, she's got the glamorous hair, those wonderful boots, you

672
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:21.660
know.

673
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:22.559
She looks great.

674
00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:23.519
We haven't even talked about it.

675
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.079
What's she wearing?

676
00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:28.440
The stripe top is from spiders or from something, like the stripe

677
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.960
top that she wears, is white from her time on the show.

678
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.579
They're cute little nods.

679
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.779
The card is very, yeah.

680
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.720
But the boots and the things are Tom, aren't they?

681
00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:39.119
Like, I mean, she's just dressed as the fall doctor.

682
00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:41.519
And it gets more so when she starts to bring you in the frock

683
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:41.880
coats.

684
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:42.420
Yeah, yeah.

685
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:43.799
You've got all the dollies?

686
00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:45.960
Many topics.

687
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:49.500
They don't bend over and look at the dog eating.

688
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.539
Not for love nor money.

689
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:57.299
But I think it's a really clever writing and giving her a female

690
00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:59.039
villain to go up against.

691
00:31:59.099 --> 00:31:59.940
Yeah.

692
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:00.900
That's brilliant.

693
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.059
And the calibre of Samantha, because it brings Liz's A game to the

694
00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:06.359
fore.

695
00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:08.940
Not that she would never bring it to the fore, but it just shows

696
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:10.500
you what a good actress she is.

697
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.920
She doesn't have to try with the kids, but then you bring in a

698
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.859
professional and it's like, all right, okay.

699
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.619
I'm going to go toe to toe here and you can say, yes, she is this

700
00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:21.539
central character, like the doctor.

701
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.519
It's funny, isn't it?

702
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.140
Because one of the things that's different about this is that, one

703
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:28.619
it's longer.

704
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.759
It's not a normal episode.

705
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:31.200
It's a full hour.

706
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:31.859
It's a full hour.

707
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.720
It's longer than a Doctor Who episode.

708
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:34.200
That's right.

709
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:36.839
So it's longer than rows and longer than everything changes.

710
00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:41.039
So it has more time to do things and I think it spends some of

711
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.920
that time on an arc for Sarah.

712
00:32:43.980 --> 00:32:49.440
And it's, in a sense, that arc isn't really properly necessary

713
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.500
because we saw school reunion.

714
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.539
And so I think it's slightly disappointing that we come back to a

715
00:32:57.539 --> 00:33:01.740
Sarah who seems so gruff and she, she's just sort of plain being

716
00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:01.980
busy.

717
00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:06.180
It's just the Nissan in 1st gig.

718
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:08.700
I guess the thing is this.

719
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.019
Like, you know, when she left the show, and then came back from

720
00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:17.819
various things in the 1980s, in my head, I always had a vision of

721
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:18.779
where Sarah would be.

722
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:22.619
And when she came back in school reunion, that was not the vision

723
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:26.220
that I had for, like I thought she'd be successful, she would move

724
00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:28.559
on with her life and she would have kids, right?

725
00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:29.819
That's what I thought anyway.

726
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:33.240
Still being an investigative journalist, et cetera, and being very

727
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.359
successful in having a happy life, which, of course, is not quite

728
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:37.259
what was presented.

729
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:43.079
So I think a lot of that sort of angst about that and not being

730
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:43.799
happy with it.

731
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:47.579
I sort of dealt with school reunion when coming into here.

732
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:48.359
But you're quite right.

733
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:51.240
She's quite standoffish to begin with and gruff with people and

734
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:54.000
you kind of think, was that really what she was like in the show?

735
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:54.599
I don't know.

736
00:33:54.660 --> 00:34:00.839
I do like we do get her, actually her, for the 1st time, where she

737
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.400
kind of refuses to engage with Alan, and Alan makes some sort of

738
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.360
snarky comment, and then she just smiles quite genuinely, and it's

739
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:10.800
Sarah Jane, and she's back.

740
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:15.239
You know, that's how we remember her and she smiles and is sort of

741
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:16.500
terribly charming and stuff.

742
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.699
It's almost like there's an unwritten scene or it's there's a

743
00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:24.900
subtext of her still being upset that the doctor's moved on and

744
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:26.880
she's been left to carry the can.

745
00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:31.199
It's almost like this whole story as her coming to terms with, oh

746
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.280
I can do this myself.

747
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:34.559
I don't need to be carted around the galaxy.

748
00:34:34.619 --> 00:34:38.400
But it's also the decision to do it with other people as well.

749
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:41.699
That thing at the end where she says I thought I could do this by

750
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:44.460
myself, but I realised today, that I don't want to.

751
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.320
And that's not tragic.

752
00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:49.079
Like when she delivers it, she's not being tragic about it.

753
00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:52.559
She's genuinely happy that she has someone to be with.

754
00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:56.699
And even the rejection of Luke at the beginning because she's just

755
00:34:56.699 --> 00:34:59.820
met this kid, you know, no, you're not...

756
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.219
How do you peel him?

757
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.219
You can't get your fingernails into the groove.

758
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.099
I wanted to ask you all please, since we've got so much to say.

759
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:09.539
Who is the mysterious man?

760
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.980
I think it's Philip Hinchcliffe.

761
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.719
Who is who?

762
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:13.500
Who left her?

763
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:17.699
There was one man of whom I had desires, but he has gone, gone

764
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:18.599
gone for dust.

765
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:19.980
I think it's Philippines.

766
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:20.639
Yeah, almost.

767
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:21.480
The pink socks.

768
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:24.780
Or just little Nigel Haver's look he was always doing with them.

769
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:26.099
Oh, funny you should say that.

770
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.300
Yes.

771
00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:28.739
I wonder where that's going to go.

772
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:29.880
Who do you think that is?

773
00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:30.780
Harry is it?

774
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.340
I thought it was meant to be the doctor.

775
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:33.000
Nay.

776
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.900
Yeah, the doctor. banged around with Tom long enough to, you know

777
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:37.679
no.

778
00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:39.059
No, it's the doctor.

779
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:39.659
It's the doctor.

780
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.780
There's a terrible tombstone teeth and halitosis.

781
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.619
I don't believe.

782
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.559
Something, I remember Russell T. Davis talking about his original

783
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:04.079
pitch for Doctor Who, when he tried to stealthily bring it in, is

784
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.679
this show essentially that, where he wanted to have Judy Dench

785
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.280
living in a house at the end of a street and the kids find out

786
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.500
eventually that it's the doctor?

787
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.500
Like, that was how he was going to reboot Doctor Who without

788
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:18.539
telling anyone that he was doing?

789
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.519
Like for kids TV?

790
00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:21.780
What was it going to have?

791
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.860
It wouldn't have a title sequence.

792
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.940
It was going to be called Torchwood.

793
00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:26.340
Oh, no, it was going to be called whatever, you know, it was going

794
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:28.559
to be called, but it was going to be these kids who meet this

795
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.860
strange woman who lives in a house and that woman turns out to be

796
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:33.239
the doctor. generated doctor.

797
00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:34.679
And as a lady doctor.

798
00:36:34.739 --> 00:36:36.480
His idea was that it was Judy Dench.

799
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.280
Like, playing the doctor.

800
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:41.699
Like, but then you maybe never mention it's the doctor until the

801
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:44.519
BBC go, oh, all right, it can be Doctor Who at some point.

802
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:48.119
This feels like the same structure, the same setup.

803
00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:50.760
Like the mysterious woman lives in the weird house.

804
00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:53.820
The kids all come over to visit and get caught up in strange

805
00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:56.760
adventures and I'm like, you did actually go make that show in the

806
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:56.940
end.

807
00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:59.460
I mean, but even Doctor Who?

808
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.300
Like, the doctor is that.

809
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:00.960
Isn't it?

810
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:04.380
The doctor's just some weird person who gets them into scrapes, you

811
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:04.559
know.

812
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:07.679
But I love when they get into the attic and you see the pictures

813
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:11.219
of the past, like the brigadier and Harry, and she talks about

814
00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:14.099
meeting the man called the doctor and there's a warmth and there's

815
00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:19.619
and then we get the canine cameo through that, um, safe

816
00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:23.280
inexplicably, inexplicable safe that goes to a black hole in some

817
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.599
other galaxy, which...

818
00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:25.440
No, it's in Sweden.

819
00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:27.420
No, no, Switzerland, isn't it?

820
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:28.679
Does it CERN?

821
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:30.960
They must have heard from their legal department.

822
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.820
Actually, no, not CERN crossed that out.

823
00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:38.519
I mean, my question is like, you know, the people who lived in the

824
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:44.039
house before Maria and Alan, did they see like Maria and see those

825
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.559
lights over there and they went over and were just totally freaked

826
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:47.519
out and had to...

827
00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:47.880
Yeah, yeah.

828
00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:49.199
Kelsey said that they bailed it.

829
00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:51.300
They went mad and we're talking about aliens and stuff.

830
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:52.320
It was really great.

831
00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:55.739
And, you know, that could have well happened to her.

832
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:56.820
We may never know.

833
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.320
Yeah.

834
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.679
You know, there's, like, I did some stupid research and discovered

835
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:06.059
that Gary Russell put out a story that has almost become canon

836
00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:09.719
that Maria and Luke bricked Kelsey up in one of the rooms.

837
00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:14.940
And whenever Sarah Jane asks where she is, they go, oh, no, she's

838
00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:15.420
just at the shop.

839
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.420
Shell be back soon. fabulous.

840
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.760
It's more Virginia Andrews with everything.

841
00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:22.380
That dynamic.

842
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.059
It lands, doesn't it?

843
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:24.539
It works.

844
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.599
Yeah, you go, oh, yeah, I believe that's where Kelsey went.

845
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:33.239
Actually, Mr. Smith's got so many folding angles, I wouldn't.

846
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:35.099
I kind of love Mr Smith.

847
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:35.820
Do you?

848
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.940
I felt just disappointed that he's kind of like Russell's new take

849
00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:40.079
on the memory TARDIS.

850
00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:41.460
It's not this and it's not that.

851
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.539
Yeah, but I love it.

852
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:47.280
You know what I love about it is because, you know, I love kids TV

853
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.039
and I love the repetition.

854
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.880
Like, my favourite thing was watching Thunderbird 2 take 14

855
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:54.300
hours.

856
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:55.619
Yeah, yeah.

857
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.760
Like, I went to weather in Wellington and I was allowed to operate

858
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:07.860
the lever that makes the trees fold flat. onto a Thunderman 2 to

859
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:08.219
come down.

860
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.179
They were broom handles.

861
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:11.639
They were broom handles at the slower stake.

862
00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:12.420
Yeah, yeah.

863
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.659
But yeah, like, you know, you love that repetition as a kid.

864
00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:19.260
You love when in Battle of the Planets, it would take them 14

865
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:22.019
hours to turn into their various superhero forms.

866
00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:26.099
And Mr. Smith is that, it's like, 0 my god, it's now another 6

867
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:30.239
minutes of fanfare and smoke coming out. which they eventually

868
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:31.079
made jokes about.

869
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:31.860
Fabulous.

870
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.260
They only make jokes about it in Doctor Who.

871
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.539
Not in Sarah Jane Adventures.

872
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:37.380
Yeah, yeah.

873
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:38.880
Because like kids love that.

874
00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:41.820
Like, that's, you know, I work on a quiz show and kids love the

875
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:46.380
deranged repetition of the host saying the same thing at the same

876
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:50.699
time every single moment and it's kids love it.

877
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:51.420
Like Labradors.

878
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.559
It reminds me of Maya in Space 99.

879
00:39:55.980 --> 00:39:58.199
Just the whole, like, the look to the camera with the, you know

880
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.440
inner eye and that suddenly she...

881
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:03.599
And it worked or ISIS when she puts it.

882
00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:04.679
Oh, almighty Isis.

883
00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:07.019
Who used to fly from a camera move?

884
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.980
Camera pan down.

885
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:17.460
Don't show her in the sky So we do find out his backstory later

886
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:21.300
and I do think it is a stroke of genius to call him Mr. Smith and

887
00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:23.519
just refuse to explain that. think that's wonderful.

888
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:25.320
Well, you know, Sarah Jane Smith.

889
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:26.400
Of course she's got a Mr. Smith.

890
00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.320
Is it her dad?

891
00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:29.940
Bricked up?

892
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.099
With Kelsey, yeah.

893
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.039
Borners in that attic.

894
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:38.579
I mean, how does she afford that house in the middle of London?

895
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:41.280
Like, that is expensive.

896
00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:42.179
No, she's a boomer.

897
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.380
Aunt Lavinia was a pretty boomer.

898
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.559
And also, yeah, of course, any other, she would have been...

899
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.960
But also, she sold that huge house.

900
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:53.579
It's hush money.

901
00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:59.519
She got some money off suing Juno Baker for sexual harassment.

902
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:00.179
Yes.

903
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.920
So you know?

904
00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:02.340
Yep.

905
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:12.360
We're just at the point in this conversation where you're talking

906
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.519
about all the parallels to Doctor Who.

907
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.920
But in here, the beginning of the episode.

908
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:18.900
I think it comes in into Earth.

909
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:22.800
And the end of the episode when they look up, out, and she's

910
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.840
talking again, which she'll do a number of times.

911
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.940
It's the same dialogue too.

912
00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:30.599
We actually get her doing a voiceover as we go from space to earth

913
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.860
and then we actually see her do it in a weird way where she's

914
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:38.760
suddenly monologuing to the camera, which is above her head as we

915
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:39.960
sort of go up into space.

916
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:42.599
And so we've learned nothing really in a way.

917
00:41:42.659 --> 00:41:46.260
You know, we started knowing this and now we end by knowing this.

918
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:47.940
Which is how it should be.

919
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:48.659
Yeah.

920
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:50.460
You got to hit the reset button.

921
00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:55.019
You know, if they didn't do anything more, if they just did the

922
00:41:55.019 --> 00:41:57.480
pilot, then, you know, what a way to end it.

923
00:41:57.539 --> 00:42:00.239
I can't remember how they ended K9 and company.

924
00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:02.940
Was it talking into a phone?

925
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:03.480
Not like that.

926
00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:06.179
Going through a door, perhaps?

927
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.619
Another phone conversation.

928
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:11.460
Maybe the end of Kane on company is when she finally goes out to

929
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:12.420
finish that glass of wine.

930
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.079
She has wine time, like caffeine.

931
00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:25.679
But I love the fact in this, like, you know, Mrs. Wormwood, you

932
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.099
know, until the next time, and I'm left at the end wanting more

933
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.260
you know, I want to see what happens next.

934
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.820
And it's just hilariously, the kids show team up where she teams

935
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:41.400
up with the Santaran from Maria's last story. that right?

936
00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:45.000
It's like at the end of season 2 and she teams up with us on Tyron

937
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.860
because it's a kid show and why not?

938
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:49.380
And that's marvellous.

940
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.980
So we do get to see her back and she is just incredible.

941
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.420
And she does sort of just fall short of next time I will not be so

942
00:42:57.420 --> 00:43:01.139
lenient before there's a sort of giant explosion.

943
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.739
She does some great sort of staggering acting too in the middle of

944
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:06.300
the explosion, which is pretty marvellous.

945
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:07.920
She's so good.

946
00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.239
I love her so much.

947
00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:11.400
Like, I mean, it's great that she comes back.

948
00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:13.019
You know, there's a bit of an arc.

949
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.699
It's a shame that she doesn't come back again.

950
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.659
I guess they sort of move that recurring thing onto the trickster

951
00:43:18.659 --> 00:43:21.780
which is such a great creation and one of the best villains of all

952
00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:23.820
time who I'd like to really see in Doctor Who.

953
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.340
But they use that so well here.

954
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.699
But coming back to this and watching it and all the beats that

955
00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:32.579
you've said, like I still think it's a great pilot.

956
00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:34.019
And it's a great show.

957
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.940
What Torchwood does is say we can have a miserable time here.

958
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:43.320
And what this show does is it says we're going to enjoy

959
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:44.159
ourselves.

960
00:43:44.219 --> 00:43:46.739
And you've got Samantha Bond.

961
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.900
She's just absolutely incredibly watchable.

962
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.480
There's all sorts of comedy that really lands.

963
00:43:51.539 --> 00:43:53.940
And there's the familiar thing.

964
00:43:54.000 --> 00:44:00.780
You know, there's all of this kids TV stuff that the kids are

965
00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:04.980
going to enjoy and that the fans who are watching it nostalgically

966
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:06.659
are going to enjoy.

967
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.639
Well, yeah, Blue Peter.

968
00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:10.679
But I'm just talking about, you know, sneaking out in the middle

969
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.480
of the night going into the garden, that sort of dreamlike thing.

970
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:20.219
Your parents not knowing the weird alien thing that's happening.

971
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:24.239
All of that sort of stuff is just the staple of kind of kids TV

972
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:25.440
and here it all is.

973
00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:29.460
But as fans, like we get so many Doctor Who references subtle

974
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:32.760
references in here and then we want more of that, you know, and

975
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.639
you have that anticipation that at some point things are going to

976
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.920
come up and ultimately they will.

977
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:38.760
Yeah.

978
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.380
You know, I've always loved that this is an unashamed kid's show.

979
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.260
Yeah, then Main Show is a family show.

980
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:49.679
And I think the problem with torture is it wanted to be an adult

981
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.800
show, and it was an adolescent show.

982
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.059
It's also, it's also, there's a kind of like death is bleak

983
00:44:57.059 --> 00:44:57.480
thing.

984
00:44:57.539 --> 00:44:59.219
It's just, yeah, because that's what it really is.

985
00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:01.619
Denisley. yeah, I'm 12.

986
00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:03.599
Everything's like the worst thing that ever happened.

987
00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:05.880
But in Welsh, much worse.

988
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:11.699
It's even got an Amy Stewart clone in a cyber lady rig thing.

989
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.980
And I thought, oh, I don't know which shark we're jumping now.

990
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.199
Oh my god.

991
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:18.000
She was knock on words.

992
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:21.780
I was like, where are we going with this torture?

993
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:24.599
I guess torture was just trying to be all things to all persons.

994
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:27.059
Yeah, it's, I don't know.

995
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:31.019
Even when it came out, I was like, oh, it's mistaken being adult

996
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:34.679
for being being a teenager who thinks they're grown up.

997
00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:38.639
Also, that it also had Barriman who, I mean, he was really

998
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.480
required to do a lot more than a musical comedy actor is probably

999
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:44.159
able.

1000
00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:45.059
Oh, absolutely.

1001
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.579
And I remember that moment in utopia where he comes back and I

1002
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:49.199
sort of think, oh, god, yes, okay.

1003
00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:50.159
That's, yes.

1004
00:45:50.219 --> 00:45:51.900
He can be like this.

1005
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:52.920
Exactly.

1006
00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:55.440
That's really good. he's literally no fun at all.

1007
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.659
Look, I think torture does eventually get there for 5 glorious

1008
00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:01.260
episodes.

1009
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.179
Whereas exactly. and the one where they kill them all and it's

1010
00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:06.900
just Capaldi.

1011
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:08.880
Best thing they ever did.

1012
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:10.559
But this lands straight off.

1013
00:46:10.619 --> 00:46:13.619
And as soon as you see Liz turn around and go, ugh, new

1014
00:46:13.619 --> 00:46:14.579
neighbours.

1015
00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:15.300
I'm with you.

1016
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:19.139
God, yes. and they've got children.

1017
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.260
She should be in the remake of Wicked.

1018
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.880
I mean, the green hat, flying fricking monkeys, canine. all

1019
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:27.119
there.

1020
00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:28.559
It's all there if you look for it.

1021
00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:33.480
And I do think a lot of children, maybe not just the queer ones

1022
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.139
although correct me, really like the cool stepmother.

1023
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.780
They don't want the unctuous adult all the time.

1024
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:40.679
Oh, you look sacrous.

1025
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.460
Please, give me some space and respect and some cool. kids love

1026
00:46:44.460 --> 00:46:45.539
someone who doesn't love them.

1027
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.679
That's it.

1028
00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:49.559
They're like, I want to hang out with my baron auntie.

1029
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:51.059
She's she's fun.

1030
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.920
In fact, that final scene is that there's something really great

1031
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.320
about that final scene, because...

1032
00:46:58.380 --> 00:46:59.280
That was the title.

1033
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.639
The Baron Auntie Adventures.

1034
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:11.460
And now she's got a son.

1035
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.659
Yeah, so that final scene, I think, where she sneaks off from her

1036
00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:19.619
wretched family, who are still talking about the check or whatever

1037
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:22.860
and she just sneaks off and, you know, like it seems to be later

1038
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.659
in the evening, but like, whatever, who cares?

1039
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.920
immediately after that.

1040
00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:28.739
And she's just in the back garden with all of them and they're

1041
00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:30.360
having fun and it's kind of nice.

1042
00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:32.099
Kelsey's bricked up.

1043
00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:33.420
And Kelsey's, yeah.

1044
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:34.860
She's still moving.

1045
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.380
Another brick and scratch, a muffled bird.

1046
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:39.960
I want a muffin.

1047
00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:42.000
Muff bubble shock bird.

1048
00:47:42.059 --> 00:47:43.500
Screaming?

1049
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.519
No, no.

1050
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.039
You know, like, I think that that's a nice ending in a nice sort

1051
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.739
of place, no, because it's an escape for her as well, because

1052
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:52.380
Maria starts sort of dislocated.

1053
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.599
We do get that little moment where she sort of goes off to the

1054
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:56.820
room crying because it's all been a little bit too much.

1055
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.739
So she's found something as well.

1056
00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:00.719
That's not her flaky parents.

1057
00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:03.659
And that's very nice too.

1058
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:04.619
It's really sweet.

1059
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.719
Well, that's all the time we have for this season.

1060
00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:37.079
Flight through Entirety will be back for Christmas in July, with

1061
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.440
the return of Dr. Mysterio, and back again after that for Peter

1062
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.360
Capoldi's final season. 500-year diary will return in 2025.

1063
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:50.039
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1064
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.639
and you can keep up with us on our website, 500yearDiary.com, where

1065
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.639
you'll find our social media links, as well as links to all of our

1066
00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:00.420
other podcasts, including our other Doctor Who podcasts, Flight

1067
00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:03.360
through Entirety, and the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire.

1068
00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:07.980
Until next time, remember that life on earth can be an adventure

1069
00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:08.340
too.

1070
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.460
So why not base jump into the office tomorrow morning?

1071
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:13.920
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1072
00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:15.059
Good night.

1073
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.260
See you soon.

1074
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:17.579
Good jumpings.

1075
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:32.820
That was 500 Year Diary, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley

1076
00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:34.199
Adam Richard, and Richard Stone.

1077
00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:37.019
The theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1078
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:41.400
This episode where Kelsey Went, was recorded on the 19th of April

1079
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.920
2024, and released on the 19th of May.

1080
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.599
Once again, just a few hours after the release of this episode

1081
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.559
head on over to our Doctor Who flash cast, The Second Great and

1082
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.219
Bountiful Human Empire, for our hot takes on Stephen Moffat's

1083
00:49:56.219 --> 00:49:56.820
return to the show.

1084
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:01.199
You can find us wherever you get your podcasts or check us out at

1085
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:03.000
greatandbountiful.com.

1086
00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:13.860
What do you think?

1087
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.320
I'm not sure if we've missed any beats.

1088
00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:18.659
Is there anything else that happening in this?

1089
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:22.199
It's pretty simple Oh, I didn't mention how the muffin turned into

1090
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.199
be turned out to be a TV writer that Russell T. Davis produced his

1091
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:25.619
1st show.

1092
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.119
Oh, really?

1093
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.519
No, that's interesting.

1094
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:30.719
Can we drop that in?

1095
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:34.260
I think we dropped it in there. dropping it in.

1096
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:39.059
Yeah, he is pretty, but in a kind of very, well, like you said

1097
00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:40.500
Todd, sort of boy band way.

1098
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:43.320
I think he was in the footballer's wives back then.

1099
00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:44.460
Oh really?

1100
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:44.940
Yeah.

1101
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.619
Was he one of the wines?

1102
00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:48.719
He was a footballer.

1103
00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:50.639
Now, you didn't record an outro.

1104
00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:52.199
No, so we will do that.

1105
00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:53.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1106
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.039
But so, yeah.

1107
00:50:56.099 --> 00:50:59.639
I mean, Alan is pretty and continues to be pretty.

1108
00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:03.599
And I kind of miss both of them, although I think Geese is pretty

1109
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:04.739
great when she turns up.

1110
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:06.840
Oh, she's the best. she's great.

1111
00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:08.039
Yeah, yeah.

1112
00:51:08.099 --> 00:51:08.940
She's perfect.

1113
00:51:09.059 --> 00:51:10.440
She's got a lovely energy about him.

1114
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:11.280
Yeah, yeah.

1115
00:51:11.340 --> 00:51:12.659
But I did love Chrissy too.

1116
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.360
She's the nearest just for you, isn't she?

1117
00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:17.579
The Annalise.

1118
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:19.440
Russell always gives us one.

1119
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:25.199
I'm so glad that we get Neres 25 years later on him.

1120
00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:28.440
How are you feeling about having 2 mums in the new series?

1121
00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:32.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1122
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:33.059
And a grandmother.

1123
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:34.019
Yeah.

1124
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.119
Yeah, I like the mum.

1125
00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:37.679
I like the mum. they're all good.

1126
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:38.280
Yeah, good.

1127
00:51:38.340 --> 00:51:40.679
I was so excited that Sylvia was back for the specials.

1128
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:41.760
Oh my god.

1129
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:43.199
Oh, my God.

1130
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.000
I think we all felt that slapped.

1131
00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:45.840
Tuna Madras.

1132
00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:47.039
Tuna Madras?

1133
00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:47.880
Jesus.

1134
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:48.960
That sounds awful.

1135
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.760
It sounds dreadful.

1136
00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:52.199
But it's so funny.

1137
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:53.760
Like, it's just a brilliant.

1138
00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:56.940
Like, 0 my god, why had the show not been so funny for five?

1139
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.860
Yeah, you can't imagine.

1140
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:06.599
It's it is all of Russell's tropes, but then again, I mean, you

1141
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.300
just want him to do your Schmorgesbjord for you, don't you?

1142
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:10.260
Because he gets it right.

1143
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.840
I'd eat the egg salad if he did it.

1144
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:13.980
The tuna address?

1145
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:14.940
The tuna Madras.

1146
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.880
Oh, if Sylvia does the hand twist, the Disney hand twist.

1147
00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:20.820
Do you do the outro?

1148
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:21.780
All right.

1149
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.880
Well, that's all the time.

1150
00:52:23.940 --> 00:52:24.300
Sorry.

1151
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.579
Well, that's all the time we have for this season.